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tlr-boise

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Data point, nothing more:

Nov. 6: Got an "allergy attack" that turned out to be the Wuhan virus. Mild symptoms, no big deal. Wife got very mild symptoms next couple days.

Nov. 9: I tested positive for the virus. Wife tested negative.

Dec. 9: Antibody test, tested positive. Yay! I have antibodies! Wife also had the antibodies. Yay! We're both immune!

Tonight, five and a half months after getting the virus, I tested NEGATIVE for antibodies. Wife tested positive.

Was the quick $25 test from the Fred Meyer (a.k.a. Kroger) pharmacy.

Dang! I want a SECOND OPINION!

I told the pharmacist I'm just going to continue to pretend I have the antibodies. My science is as good as anybody else's. He laughed. I think he's heard every kind of comment and opinion by now.

EDIT and UPDATE:

Second opinion was the more reliable blood test, on 27 April. Yay! I still have antibodies! I'm immune!

But, strange results: The IgM are the immediate, shorter lasting antibodies that you get to fight the infection, but the IgG are secondary, longer lasting antibodies that supposedly stick around for . . . nobody knows how long.

I tested postive for the shorter lasting IgM antibodies, but negative for the longer lasting IgG. The phlebotomist I spoke with said that it doesn't make sense in theory, but they are seeing a lot of that. No explanation why.
 
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Yikes. That means I'm a contender. My chicken pox kept me out of school for a week because I couldn't stop scratching. Back in the day when I had it there was no safe space or slathering of medicinal sauces to take away the irritation. We bit down hard and rode it out. And now it's all gonna come back to haunt us? Geez louise.

I think I'm going to get a year supply of the H-C-Q from Dr Stella here in Houston. The anti-viral has working as expected for 70+ years. Maybe that'll keep life from killing me sooner than Dr Fow Chi and Bill "The Depopulater" Gates have planned? LOL

When y'all see the grim reaper in your rear view mirror, crack that throttle! :^ ) AB
Personally, having a doc who will prescribe HCQ if my wife and I get symptoms is a comfort. Ask your Dr. Stella about Ivermectin also. SOMEDAY, maybe the medical profession will figure out there are several treatments for the virus that WILL mitigate symptoms and keep people out of hospitals--for some people. Independent docs all over this valley, where I live, know it, but the incompetent doctor bureaucrats who run our two big hospitals deny it. A scandal, imho.
 

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The "New Case" count is a meaningless measure. The media pivoted from mortality counts to new case counts when the former declined early last summer. Hospitals were largely not overwhelmed - even in NYC hospital ships were not utilized and eventually sailed away. We were told to lock down for 2 weeks to flatten the curve (so hospitals would not be overrun). We were told that the United States could expect a 3% mortality rate - it is less than half a percent, and mostly confined to elderly and people with other life threatening conditions. We were told that 2.4 million Americans would be killed - 571,000* Americans have died thus far - miraculously death rates from the annual flu and other respiratory and circulatory conditions have either declined or ended. - Of course there's no miracle .... some deaths attributed to Covid-19 would have occurred otherwise.
The price we'll pay for continuing to cower in fear will be increased cancer deaths, increased deaths due to people not having health issues checked. Employers can't fill vacant positions - I heard a radio help wanted ad promising to "pay more than the government". Schools? Education pre-covid was marginal at best... Now? This is despite children being all but immune from serious health issues from Covid.

* Do the math yourself. 571,000 Americans said to have died due to Covid-19 out of a total population of 331,000,000 = .17%
 
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Masks are placebos, but the placebo effect is, after all, a real effect.
It's fear of having someone call you out for not following the herd. Wait...isn't that "herd immunity"?

Seriously, a couple of us were over at a church member's home trying to do some repairs. I had some sheet rock to rip out, and so I put on one of those surgical masks. And since I really wanted it on this time, I made sure I put it on right. Tight around the nose and no gaps.

I got a good lesson on how good they are. I could still taste the sheetrock dust that was coming through. A simple dust mask from the hardware store is more effective in keeping out that sheet rock dust...and the virus is thousands of times smaller.

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Fear porn, just keep wearing a mask, or two and you'll not only be protected from the virus (flu) but you'll also make everyone else feel safe.
....effective in keeping out that sheet rock dust...and the virus is thousands of times smaller.

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OK, clearly according to some of you I'm in the herd mentality.....but the herd mentality edicts (or comments and writings of medical people trying their best to learn about the virus and relay what they've found out) .. are not saying to wear a mask or two to protect yourself ...again wearing a mask or two will not protect you (at least not very much)! What they are saying (now whether you believe them is up to you, I couldn't care less) is that others wearing masks helps to protect you, and you doing the same helps to protect them. The mask is not to filter out the virus and protect you, the mask is to stop or slow the velocity of droplets coming out of peoples mouths and noses that contain the virus. Then the reduced velocity* of the virus containing small droplets that do escape the mask will fall to the ground/floor quicker (where it will dry out and die) and lessen the chance that it will get inhaled or eye absorbed by another. I think people that study virus with the use of of electron microscopes are quite aware of the size of virus vs. opening size in a mask. If you don't think masks do anything, fine, if you feel the same about vaccines, also fine...but I grow weary of people constantly typing about how small the virus is vs. whatever it is that is getting through their mask (be it drywall particles, or farts, or pixie dust), it is irrelevant to the discussion/rant.

No, I can't believe I got sucked into this again....it's all Conrad's fault. :rolleyes: DOH!

* for those of you that do woodworking, the mask effect is more like a Dust deputy cyclone than it is the hepa filter in your shop vac.
 

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OK, clearly according to some of you I'm in the herd mentality.....but the herd mentality edicts (or comments and writings of medical people trying their best to learn about the virus and relay what they've found out) .. are not saying to wear a mask or two to protect yourself ...again wearing a mask or two will not protect you (at least not very much)! What they are saying (now whether you believe them is up to you, I couldn't care less) is that others wearing masks helps to protect you, and you doing the same helps to protect them. The mask is not to filter out the virus and protect you, the mask is to stop or slow the velocity of droplets coming out of peoples mouths and noses that contain the virus. Then the reduced velocity* of the virus containing small droplets that do escape the mask will fall to the ground/floor quicker (where it will dry out and die) and lessen the chance that it will get inhaled or eye absorbed by another. I think people that study virus with the use of of electron microscopes are quite aware of the size of virus vs. opening size in a mask. If you don't think masks do anything, fine, if you feel the same about vaccines, also fine...but I grow weary of people constantly typing about how small the virus is vs. whatever it is that is getting through their mask (be it drywall particles, or farts, or pixie dust), it is irrelevant to the discussion/rant.

No, I can't believe I got sucked into this again....it's all Conrad's fault. :rolleyes: DOH!

* for those of you that do woodworking, the mask effect is more like a Dust deputy cyclone than it is the hepa filter in your shop vac.

Hey there Marty, I've heard this argument a number of times. I'm not really into the idea of debating unscientific flip-flopped advice from the people who funded the laboratory where the virus was created. Dr Fow Chi is not my idea of a credible source at this point.

What bothers me most about the mask theory being promoted is that if these masks were really designed to prevent the spread of a highly infectious disease, like for example Black Plague, why aren't there hazardous waste receptacles located in every city, state and nation? If these face rags are really capturing all the bodily fluids (which in theory are potentially teeming with live active virus molecules), why are we allowed to shove them in our pockets, purses & panniers without so much as a whisper from the CDC or W.H.O.?

I'll wear a mask when it suits my needs and to avoid the hassle when I'm in a hurry, but I wholeheartedly reject the notion that these lockdown measures and masks are anything other than what they appear to be - power grabs. If we look at history as our guide, there's plenty of evidence that this is the way it always begins ---> with fear porn anesthetizing the neocortex of otherwise perfectly rational people.
 

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If masks prevent the spread of Covid-19/20/21 why do hospitals and nursing homes prohibit visitors even if masks are worn by visitors? Why did the incredibly overpaid Dr. Fauci initially publicly discourage the use of masks?
I've been married 45 years this November. We met at work. Had both of us been masked up we probably never would have dated let alone married. Sensory inputs from an unmasked face are critical for social interaction - we can look to different parts of the world to see how peaceful or advanced other societies are where the face is partially obscured on one gender. We can look at US in the year 2020 and draw our own conclusions if racial tensions, crime, and general societal conditions have gotten better or worse with the advent of masks.
The social implications of half the face hidden by a mask breeds isolation. If masks totally prevented the spread of a 99.7% survivable virus maybe an argument could be made - but they don't. The cities and states that locked down the most stringently enjoy no benefits when compared to states that did not lock down.
 

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Not sure just when folks lost the ability to discern facts from fiction but it's getting really old . Most of the time it's pretty simple to figure out what's true . Always consider the source . If that source is Facebook , Twitter , or Am radio its mostly false .
So 1010 Wins (AM) here in NY is fake news? Owned and operated by CBS.... BTW also simulcasts on 102.7 FM (digital 2) so if I listen to them on FM it's all good? SMH....
 

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A few weeks ago, Ohio's Guv said that he would lift virus mandates if the number of positive cases went below 50 per 100,000 people, well, anybody would know that isn't ever going to happen anytime soon. So what they are now rolling out is when the total amount of people in Ohio get at least their first vaccine shot hits a certain percentage then he will lift the mandates, I can't remember the exact number but we are at about 40% today. Sporting events, as if I care, are now "allowed" a 40% capacity attendance. So, ever so slowly, we in Ohio are edging towards a somewhat pre-virus number. Now, many places, stores, events, et... will still, I'm sure, maintain a mask "mandate" on their own, that is their decision.
 

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...The mask is not to filter out the virus and protect you, the mask is to stop or slow the velocity of droplets coming out of peoples mouths and noses that contain the virus. Then the reduced velocity* of the virus containing small droplets that do escape the mask will fall to the ground/floor quicker (where it will dry out and die) and lessen the chance that it will get inhaled or eye absorbed by another...
I've been running this whole idea of masks through my mind the past several days, ever since tasting the sheetrock coming through the surgical mask I was wearing while taking the sheetrock down off the wall. You're right, the idea of the masks is not to protect me, but to protect you.

But before that idea was promulgated, the initial idea was that these masks were actually worse than not wearing a mask. If you had a N95 mask, you were golden...but few people had those. So then there was all the publicity about which masks were better. The majority of masks had a serious defect. They broke up the droplets into smaller droplets. The theory at the time was that the unmasked exhalation had larger and heavier droplets which fell out of the air quicker than those from the cloth masks. The cloth masks broke the droplets into many smaller droplets...and those stayed suspended in the air longer.

I was at Lowe's earlier this morning. For those of you who get all :eek: "TMI!!!", :eek: stop reading. :D
...So I'm sitting on the toilet. Wow!...it stunk!!! But wait...I have a mask on! I shouldn't smell anything!?!?!? What gives here? This shouldn't be happening! :sick:

When the California fires start in a few months, we'll be able to tell just how effective these cloth and surgical masks really are. I suspect they will be as effective as my mask was in the Lowe's bathroom.

Chris
 

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I've been running this whole idea of masks through my mind the past several days, ever since tasting the sheetrock coming through the surgical mask I was wearing while taking the sheetrock down off the wall. You're right, the idea of the masks is not to protect me, but to protect you.

But before that idea was promulgated, the initial idea was that these masks were actually worse than not wearing a mask. If you had a N95 mask, you were golden...but few people had those. So then there was all the publicity about which masks were better. The majority of masks had a serious defect. They broke up the droplets into smaller droplets. The theory at the time was that the unmasked exhalation had larger and heavier droplets which fell out of the air quicker than those from the cloth masks. The cloth masks broke the droplets into many smaller droplets...and those stayed suspended in the air longer.

I was at Lowe's earlier this morning. For those of you who get all :eek: "TMI!!!", :eek: stop reading. :D
...So I'm sitting on the toilet. Wow!...it stunk!!! But wait...I have a mask on! I shouldn't smell anything!?!?!? What gives here? This shouldn't be happening! :sick:

When the California fires start in a few months, we'll be able to tell just how effective these cloth and surgical masks really are. I suspect they will be as effective as my mask was in the Lowe's bathroom.

Chris

"For those of you who get all :eek: "TMI!!!", :eek:"

LOLOLOLOLOLOL absolutely hilarious! Thanks for the chuckle Chris! :^ )
 

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So 1010 Wins (AM) here in NY is fake news? Owned and operated by CBS.... BTW also simulcasts on 102.7 FM (digital 2) so if I listen to them on FM it's all good? SMH....

LOL, niiiiiice! Rumormill on the interweb underground thingamajigger is that it isn't so much the FM radio station that makes everything better so much as the listener being exposed to questionable content being pushed across the airwaves at a higher, fixed Frequency Modulation as opposed to the lower more powerful frequency Amplitude Modulation. Something to do with the higher frequency's affect on the pineal gland which allows for the individual to access the full range of their mental capacity?

ROFL... pretty funny stuff amigos! All y'all are cracking me up! I'm so happy that everyone is jovial and doesn't take any of this stuff personally! :^ )
 

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I've been running this whole idea of masks through my mind the past several days, ever since tasting the sheetrock coming through the surgical mask I was wearing while taking the sheetrock down off the wall. You're right, the idea of the masks is not to protect me, but to protect you.

But before that idea was promulgated, the initial idea was that these masks were actually worse than not wearing a mask. If you had a N95 mask, you were golden...but few people had those. So then there was all the publicity about which masks were better. The majority of masks had a serious defect. They broke up the droplets into smaller droplets. The theory at the time was that the unmasked exhalation had larger and heavier droplets which fell out of the air quicker than those from the cloth masks. The cloth masks broke the droplets into many smaller droplets...and those stayed suspended in the air longer.

I was at Lowe's earlier this morning. For those of you who get all :eek: "TMI!!!", :eek: stop reading. :D
...So I'm sitting on the toilet. Wow!...it stunk!!! But wait...I have a mask on! I shouldn't smell anything!?!?!? What gives here? This shouldn't be happening! :sick:

When the California fires start in a few months, we'll be able to tell just how effective these cloth and surgical masks really are. I suspect they will be as effective as my mask was in the Lowe's bathroom.

Chris
I was boating on Oroville Lake last summer and a wild fire was dumping ash like a heavy snow and was smelling the smoke bad, when I got in my truck and put on the mask it blocked the smoke smell. Now I will wear a mask next time I have to use a bathroom in Lowe’s 😂😂
 

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Whenever I've had a really bad smell at work, vomit, dead body, waste, if you know before you go, spray some Listerine into your mask and afterwards if you still got that smell in your brain, eat some peanut better or drink a sprite, works almost everytime.
 

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"no need to wear a mask outside!" I hope the zombies follow Dr. Fauci's newest incantations and take the darned masks off outside. July 20, 1969... I watched TV with pride and awe as Americans took the first steps on the moon. 50 years later I watch solitary masked walkers and drivers with completely opposite emotions.
 

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Just a few random thoughts and ramblings upon reading this post's train today.


I for one wear a mask in public so the "woke" among us will stay asleep while I am traversing their paths. Otherwise one risks being accosted in public by people who are not trained in critical thought and/or proper manners.

One might ask why the immunized so totally fear those who would rather not be immunized. If immunization science were so infallible, what is there for any of the immunized to fear and, common sense forbid, legislate about one might would ask?

Of note the first and most primary response to a potentially spreading threat is containment. If one looks at the world's historical record of present and past events one will see this is always postponed or derailed for economic and/or political reasons. Any measures after the failure of a containment are ineffective and folly dare say. The self limiting life of the disease process itself then becomes the true regulating factor despite or inspite what some experts would opine.

Lastly, if the science and vaccine testing is so good why do some immunized become ill post vaccination? Why do some die? Why do we see a statistical correlation between post industrial societies vaccination practices and autoimmune disease. Why do we see the same statistical correlation in our children for autistic spectrum disorders? Statistics is a science if I remember?

Currently in our society autism is diagnosed by a factor of 4 times more in males than females. The diagnosed prevalence is not affected by race, region, or socio-economic status we are told. In the U.S. the incidence has dramatically climbed to one in 54 children now as you read this. Oh sorry more statistical science!

Now there above is an unreported epidemic turned pandemic in our nation for our consideration!
 

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I canceled my spring break trip to India today, not going.
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Smart move. From the folks over there who I speak with once a week, they're literally quivering in fear in their homes as part of the lockdown. I kinda feel sorry for them, knowing that there's a billion+ people living on top of one another, but then I remember that they've been around the block a few times and will figure it out soon enough. What concerns me is what'll happen when that many people finally find out that their communist neighbor to the north is who lit the fuse and threw it over the fence to kill their grandparents. Could get messy in a hurry.
 

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"no need to wear a mask outside!" I hope the zombies follow Dr. Fauci's newest incantations and take the darned masks off outside. July 20, 1969... I watched TV with pride and awe as Americans took the first steps on the moon. 50 years later I watch solitary masked walkers and drivers with completely opposite emotions.

I've seen this behavior too. I've asked several people why they are wearing a mask with no one else around and several have responded they just liked it, they like the feeling.
I got to say when it was zero here in Colorado, I liked wearing a mask too. A friend made these rather large colorful cloth masks and I did not mind it when it was cold. But that's just me.
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No, Harry, it doesn't work that way. They can get it again, and, there are mutations and different strains that you can get. The vaccine is just like the flu vaccine in that it was formulated for a specific type of virus. Just getting vaccinated for COVID-19 is just that, for COVID-19, and even then, it isn't as effective as you may think against getting COVID-19 again. COVID-19 was the 19th mutation of the virus.
 

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I'm jumping into the next universe before it's too late.

Not sure how fast YOUR connie is, but as nice and shiny new as mine is it still won't get me close enough to the speed necessary to make a hyperjump over to Andromeda. I'm gonna need to get that Shoodaben ECU flash in order to get to those velocities. LOL
 

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From https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm
Both COVID-19 and flu can have varying degrees of signs and symptoms, ranging from no symptoms (asymptomatic) to severe symptoms. Common symptoms that COVID-19 and flu share include:

  • Fever or feeling feverish/chills
  • Cough
  • Shortness of breath or difficulty breathing
  • Fatigue (tiredness)
  • Sore throat
  • Runny or stuffy nose
  • Muscle pain or body aches
  • Headache
  • Some people may have vomiting and diarrhea, though this is more common in children than adults

I really wonder if the flu disappeared...or if we just counted it as coronavirus? Right after Biden was sworn in, the WHO finally admitted the PCR test protocol produced huge numbers of false coronavirus positives. Could it be the flu was there all along...but the PCR test gave back a false positive, so it was attributed to coronavirus?

Chris
 

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From https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm

Could it be the flu was there all along...but the PCR test gave back a false positive, so it was attributed to coronavirus?

Chris
Heck yes it could. I'm absolutely convinced that these Wuhan virus stats are all over the map and completely unreliable. They depend entirely on causes of death that are often either best guesses--most especially with the elderly--or are directed by different state health policies, and the tests are not 100% accurate. Then, when you compare cases and deaths of states that shut down to states that didn't, you can't correlate for any factors.

The decisions local, state, and federal government officials have made range from common sense to completely insane.

And, has anybody seen Canada's stats? What's going on there, anybody know? Their case and death stats have been exceptionally good (very low) until recently. What went on there? They supposedly shut down early and hard, on travel, masking, etc. But now cases are spiking. How do they count deaths from the virus, vs other factors?

And then there's the role the American news media played. Disgraceful. But I better not get started . . .
 
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No, Harry, it doesn't work that way. They can get it again, and, there are mutations and different strains that you can get. The vaccine is just like the flu vaccine in that it was formulated for a specific type of virus. Just getting vaccinated for COVID-19 is just that, for COVID-19, and even then, it isn't as effective as you may think against getting COVID-19 again. COVID-19 was the 19th mutation of the virus.
And we'll be wearing masks and social distancing forever, in some places.
 

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Got the 2nd Pfizer jab today - YAY!
Well the reaction to the injection was a bit delayed but very pronounced for my wife and I.

For me hours 20 - 32 after injection was difficult, to say the least. Soreness throughout, can’t focus, EXHAUSTED.

My wife it was hours 28 - 40, she had same symptoms with added fun of headache.

After the above times we were back to normal.
 

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Wife and I got the J&J DNA vaccine (eg. not the mRNA version), and we ended up with a sore injection site (left shoulder) for about 10 days or so. The day after the shot we felt lethargic, but no other noticeable symptoms.
 

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Got the Johnson and Johnson at 4pm still alive NO reaction at all, waiting for blood clot...

Was sore for 2 minutes I like pain:mad:

I went out of my way to get clots ... actually just wanted to get it over with one shot, she said the one hurts more that the two shot deal

not bad at all, some of the NFL teams will not let you in the stadiums with out your V card, I have Direct TV NFL ticket hate crowds
 

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India is in the news lately. I didn't know much about India so I looked up some statistics.

India's population is 1.19 billion people. On average 26,000+ people die every day in India compared to 8,000 people dying every day in the US. 2021 population of the United States is 332 million people - a fraction of the number of people in India.
 

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India is in the news lately. I didn't know much about India so I looked up some statistics.

India's population is 1.19 billion people. On average 26,000+ people die every day in India compared to 8,000 people dying every day in the US. 2021 population of the United States is 332 million people - a fraction of the number of people in India.

Hey there greenie. Couple follow-up questions, to build context.

Have you looked up what their trending annual death rate is? Might be interesting to see if they had any diseases suddenly disappear from statistical relevance like the flu did here in the US.

In their numbers, have the Indians segmented deaths FROM the Rona from deaths WITH the Rona? Here in the States the CDC released a report in Sept/Oct of last year indicating that less than 6% of the Rona death count was FROM the virus. Everyone else that got tallied on the kill sheet died WITH it (they had, on avg, 2.6 comorbidities).

I don't want to get into the politics of this because it's a black hole. Politicians everywhere are going to milk this as long and as hard as they can get away with. If they spent half as much time actually trying to solve problems as they do purposefully creating them, the world would be an entirely better place IMHO for everyone (no matter which make or model motorcycle people choose to ride).
 

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India is an "interesting" case. It's different than what we've experienced here in the USA. I've read that people are dieing and the bodies are being burned in the streets. Oxygen is in such short supply that the doctors are getting on social media to beg for O2 bottles. Social distancing is impossible there, yet there are calls to implement it there. You think, well people will stay home. You can't. You'd starve. There are no Super Safeways there. People eat what they get in the market that day, and someone has to get it there. Lock things down...and people die.

I look at this with more than a little wonder if this is the beginning of events described in Revelation 6 and the four horsemen of the apocalypse. In that situation more than a quarter of the world's population dies from famine, war and disease. I tend to think in terms of an even spread of people dying. But there's nothing to support that. Could it be that countries like India could be overwhelmed and have a higher death rate than other parts of the world? Could it be the four horsemen being unleashed? I have no clue. Only time will tell.

In the meantime to keep from going off on a bunny trail, I don't think you'll find the conspiracy theories of what allegedly happened here in the USA to be at all what the people of India are going through.

Chris
 

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India is an "interesting" case. It's different than what we've experienced here in the USA. I've read that people are dieing and the bodies are being burned in the streets. Oxygen is in such short supply that the doctors are getting on social media to beg for O2 bottles. Social distancing is impossible there, yet there are calls to implement it there. You think, well people will stay home. You can't. You'd starve. There are no Super Safeways there. People eat what they get in the market that day, and someone has to get it there. Lock things down...and people die.

I look at this with more than a little wonder if this is the beginning of events described in Revelation 6 and the four horsemen of the apocalypse. In that situation more than a quarter of the world's population dies from famine, war and disease. I tend to think in terms of an even spread of people dying. But there's nothing to support that. Could it be that countries like India could be overwhelmed and have a higher death rate than other parts of the world? Could it be the four horsemen being unleashed? I have no clue. Only time will tell.

In the meantime to keep from going off on a bunny trail, I don't think you'll find the conspiracy theories of what allegedly happened here in the USA to be at all what the people of India are going through.

Chris

Howdy Chris. Quite agree that what's happening in India is on a completely different scale, and that their reality is radically different from ours. The folks who I speak with in Chanderi, Dehli, Kolkata, Hyderabad and other cities across that vast piece of soil have all basically confirmed that their nation is essentially unprepared to deal with the fallout from what's going on. Information flow is abysmal. Service disruption is ubiquitous. The medical community is all over the board when it comes to having a single voice - very fragmented and infused with biases.

A question I started asking them a few weeks ago was, "How are the politicians, police and other people in position of authority treating the normal everyday folks?" Their unanimous responses have been that everyone is stealing everything they can, there's a growing divide between the powerful and those who aren't, and unrest is on the rise much more than normal as families are huddled together in their homes.

Pretty much identical to what has been happening in South America (where I lived for nearly a decade and still have family living) and in other parts of the world (Germany, England, Canada, South Korea) where we'd never suspect things could get SO bizarre. Power intoxicates, and gets gripped more tightly when sphincter factors increase. It's human nature being demonstrated everywhere we look. Nobody is immune. History is a very good guide, and the Good Book has plenty stories that describe the hearts of man.

Like I said in another thread, just wait until the ire of the Indians gets turned on their neighbors to their north who set loose this bioweapon. I for one do not want to see their hemisphere go up in a mushroom cloud. We're down wind from them, but more importantly the heart-wrenching loss of life will stagger those who read of it a few generations from now when OUR riding days have passed and the best our generation can do is push up more daisies each spring.

As a hedge, might consider starting to stock up on consumables (tires, brake pads, gear, etc) for the different parts of your garage while we still can. Before the decade is over we may see shortages of what we take for granted today.
 

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For years I've seen photos of dead bodies in India - stacked up or floating in the Ganges. Water burial in India is a problem - in 2015 over 100 bodies washed up https://www.planetcustodian.com/ove...d-river-ganges-that-went-viral-in-china/8134/ On edit... many of the photos are graphic.
Texasdevelops902 asks about the death rate - here's an interesting article with a graph. https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/IND/india/death-rate In 1950 (the earliest date on one graph the death rate in India per 1,000 was a staggering 28. This high rate has steadily declined. Currently the death rate in India is 7.3 per 1,000. In the US the death rate per 1,000 people is almost 9. The graph shows little deviation during Covid. Trying to research the causes of death in India may not be relevant since the overall death rate shows little change over the past 10 years.

What makes India the mainstream media's focus now is the number of people that live in India - it's mind boggling. There are so many people it's only logical that so many people die each day Covid or not. Add poverty, overcrowding, and a media anxious to say "see?". On a good day 28K people die each day in India. In the US it's more like 8K. Grinding poverty, shortages of practically every item imaginable paints a grim Covid picture - that is until one realizes that life is very different in India than it is here in the US.
 
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