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Shoodaben Mountain Runner Flash
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LSG, Your timing was impeccable. I wuz getting a little queasy;
Getting back to the subject..............
I was one of the Beta testers on this flash. (and all of Steve's previous Flashes)
I was "particularly" impressed by this one.
Steve really did some MAGIC on the Mountain Runner.
Until now; I kept my mouth shut, and monitored the discussion's; {to see what the new guys think about the Mountain Runner}.
Most of what I've seen is comments on how hard it accelerates and how fast the bike goes.
"Heck", that wuz the EZ part.
I have to tell you; Ya'll are missing the point of this new Flash....
Steve's previous Flashes, {Particularly the EVO} "already" improved the power and acceleration. {Thank you Steve} :allhail:
The purpose of this new Flash was to improve how the bike rides the curves....
NOTE: The changes he made this time also make the bike easier to ride in normal circumstance's. {like commuting}.
ie; He did all of this by improving the initial Roll-on Smoothness, controlling the torque curve, and enhancing the engine braking.
Ya'll will notice, there has been little discussion about this BIG THING!!!
Lastly; What ya'll "also" seem to be missing is; these changes make "You" smoother.
All the Old Guys {like me} already know this, but {B'cuz I'm a nice guy} I'll lay it out for you New Guys..
Smoother is Faster!! Thinkaboutit..
Ride safe, Ted
Let the FLAME's begin.. Buncha Rookies!!! :rotflmao: :nananana:
Getting back to the subject..............
I was one of the Beta testers on this flash. (and all of Steve's previous Flashes)
I was "particularly" impressed by this one.
Steve really did some MAGIC on the Mountain Runner.
Until now; I kept my mouth shut, and monitored the discussion's; {to see what the new guys think about the Mountain Runner}.
Most of what I've seen is comments on how hard it accelerates and how fast the bike goes.
"Heck", that wuz the EZ part.
I have to tell you; Ya'll are missing the point of this new Flash....
Steve's previous Flashes, {Particularly the EVO} "already" improved the power and acceleration. {Thank you Steve} :allhail:
The purpose of this new Flash was to improve how the bike rides the curves....
NOTE: The changes he made this time also make the bike easier to ride in normal circumstance's. {like commuting}.
ie; He did all of this by improving the initial Roll-on Smoothness, controlling the torque curve, and enhancing the engine braking.
Ya'll will notice, there has been little discussion about this BIG THING!!!
Lastly; What ya'll "also" seem to be missing is; these changes make "You" smoother.
All the Old Guys {like me} already know this, but {B'cuz I'm a nice guy} I'll lay it out for you New Guys..
Smoother is Faster!! Thinkaboutit..
Ride safe, Ted
Let the FLAME's begin.. Buncha Rookies!!! :rotflmao: :nananana:
I'll get back to you in 4 months or so on that mountain riding bit....inconvenience of this thing called Winter. Any hard cornering mountain riding that its. I don't think I missed the point...it is better, worth the price, and will only really start to shine in the coming months. IMHO.
Not new to riding but new to this Connie, and she definitely was a handful to try to keep smooth in the really tight stuff I found last summer. Already can feel the difference and know it will be an absolute win in the same conditions. Only problem then will be it highlighting the suspension weaknesses and my CC bill to Ohlins shall get outrageous.
Not new to riding but new to this Connie, and she definitely was a handful to try to keep smooth in the really tight stuff I found last summer. Already can feel the difference and know it will be an absolute win in the same conditions. Only problem then will be it highlighting the suspension weaknesses and my CC bill to Ohlins shall get outrageous.
I hear ya..
Danged Winter..
Heck, it snowed in Houston last week!
Was 2 or 3 days before we could ride again!!
Ok, I've been a smarty eleck long e'nuff. Hope I didn't pz anyone off?
My intention was to emphasize the improvements on this flash and stir some discussion.
This thing is great!
Hopefully this won't be a long winter for ya'll.
Ride safe, Ted
Danged Winter..
Heck, it snowed in Houston last week!
Was 2 or 3 days before we could ride again!!
Ok, I've been a smarty eleck long e'nuff. Hope I didn't pz anyone off?
My intention was to emphasize the improvements on this flash and stir some discussion.
This thing is great!
Hopefully this won't be a long winter for ya'll.
Ride safe, Ted
Ted you are spot on. I didnt explain this part well and you are right that was the point and "Biggest" issue Steve was trying to work out.
He told me that after riding up here at the national (Helen) he went to work developing the EVO .
Then he he started work on the Mountain Runner after listening to feedback from riders who ride these type of roads often.
The end result is a tune that does just what you(Ted) said.
I had a friend the other day say to me that he was impressed at how much better and smoother he sees me take the corners.
I never brought up the flash or coherence this statement from him. He is a guy who I have ridden these roads with quiet a bit in the last year or two and we know each others riding styles well. So when he said that I knew its because the tune has helped me tremendously. Not because Im any better on my own .
Ted is right smoother is faster and I have to add, I do feel safer too because of it.
He told me that after riding up here at the national (Helen) he went to work developing the EVO .
Then he he started work on the Mountain Runner after listening to feedback from riders who ride these type of roads often.
The end result is a tune that does just what you(Ted) said.
I had a friend the other day say to me that he was impressed at how much better and smoother he sees me take the corners.
I never brought up the flash or coherence this statement from him. He is a guy who I have ridden these roads with quiet a bit in the last year or two and we know each others riding styles well. So when he said that I knew its because the tune has helped me tremendously. Not because Im any better on my own .
Ted is right smoother is faster and I have to add, I do feel safer too because of it.
drdavid@epbfi.com
Tricycle
connie_rider said:LSG, Your timing was impeccable. I wuz getting a little queasy;
Getting back to the subject..............
I was one of the Beta testers on this flash. (and all of Steve's previous Flashes)
I was "particularly" impressed by this one.
Steve really did some MAGIC on the Mountain Runner.
Until now; I kept my mouth shut, and monitored the discussion's; {to see what the new guys think about the Mountain Runner}.
Most of what I've seen is comments on how hard it accelerates and how fast the bike goes.
"Heck", that wuz the EZ part.
I have to tell you; Ya'll are missing the point of this new Flash....
Steve's previous Flashes, {Particularly the EVO} "already" improved the power and acceleration. {Thank you Steve} :allhail:
The purpose of this new Flash was to improve how the bike rides the curves....
NOTE: The changes he made this time also make the bike easier to ride in normal circumstance's. {like commuting}.
ie; He did all of this by improving the initial Roll-on Smoothness, controlling the torque curve, and enhancing the engine braking.
Ya'll will notice, there has been little discussion about this BIG THING!!!
Lastly; What ya'll "also" seem to be missing is; these changes make "You" smoother.
All the Old Guys {like me} already know this, but {B'cuz I'm a nice guy} I'll lay it out for you New Guys..
Smoother is Faster!! Thinkaboutit..
Ride safe, Ted
Let the FLAME's begin.. Buncha Rookies!!! :rotflmao: :nananana:
My "rookie" impressions of the flash are just the remarks made by a 'beginner" and I obviously missed the whole point of Steve's improvements. In the future I'll leave all truly valid impressions to the "old guys" that are "nice guys" to us "new guys". Obviously, reading my previous, invalid impressions, I never mentioned "smoothness" of roll on or decel/engine braking, removed all the herky jerky and smooth power all the way thru the power band...oh wait, yes I did. I have an innate love of the condescending, but that's just my "rookie opinion" that missed the whole point of Steve's great work.
Ride safe, Motodoc
Steve IS the Jedi C14 Master.. Opine of a Rookie!!! :I missed the whole point: :condescendingprick:
jerdurr
Street Cruiser
Motodoc said:connie_rider said:LSG, Your timing was impeccable. I wuz getting a little queasy;
Getting back to the subject..............
I was one of the Beta testers on this flash. (and all of Steve's previous Flashes)
I was "particularly" impressed by this one.
Steve really did some MAGIC on the Mountain Runner.
Until now; I kept my mouth shut, and monitored the discussion's; {to see what the new guys think about the Mountain Runner}.
Most of what I've seen is comments on how hard it accelerates and how fast the bike goes.
"Heck", that wuz the EZ part.
I have to tell you; Ya'll are missing the point of this new Flash....
Steve's previous Flashes, {Particularly the EVO} "already" improved the power and acceleration. {Thank you Steve} :allhail:
The purpose of this new Flash was to improve how the bike rides the curves....
NOTE: The changes he made this time also make the bike easier to ride in normal circumstance's. {like commuting}.
ie; He did all of this by improving the initial Roll-on Smoothness, controlling the torque curve, and enhancing the engine braking.
Ya'll will notice, there has been little discussion about this BIG THING!!!
Lastly; What ya'll "also" seem to be missing is; these changes make "You" smoother.
All the Old Guys {like me} already know this, but {B'cuz I'm a nice guy} I'll lay it out for you New Guys..
Smoother is Faster!! Thinkaboutit..
Ride safe, Ted
Let the FLAME's begin.. Buncha Rookies!!! :rotflmao: :nananana:
My "rookie" impressions of the flash are just the remarks made by a 'beginner" and I obviously missed the whole point of Steve's improvements. In the future I'll leave all truly valid impressions to the "old guys" that are "nice guys" to us "new guys". Obviously, reading my previous, invalid impressions, I never mentioned "smoothness" of roll on or decel/engine braking, removed all the herky jerky and smooth power all the way thru the power band...oh wait, yes I did. I have an innate love of the condescending, but that's just my "rookie opinion" that missed the whole point of Steve's great work.
Ride safe, Motodoc
Steve IS the Jedi C14 Master.. Opine of a Rookie!!! :I missed the whole point: :condescendingprick:
Motodoc, i'm pretty sure Ted wasn't trying to be condescending; in fact, Ted is one of the nicest guys in the forum, I can certify that. Don't forget, communication by text loses a lot of due to subjectivity of how the reader sees it, etc.
All i'm trying to say, is that I'm pretty sure he was just joking.
Cheers guys
Thanks JD: Your correct I was funnin' to move the discussion to the improvements.
Good point Motodoc. {You clearly stated it & I agree} some of the "Posters" are right on the mark..
That's why I sed; Most of what I've seen is comments on how hard it accelerates and how fast the bike goes.
Ya'll will notice, there has been little discussion about this BIG THING!!!
I shoulda mentioned; I've been monitoring this discussion {and several others} on both Forums.
In all, the overlying expressions were; how hard it accelerates and how fast the bike goes.
Steve spent a lot of time improving on his last Flash. {Which is already great}
I'm trying to help folks focus on the difference's.
Ride safe, Ted
PS: Stirring the pot sometimes works to bring out idea's..
{and; ok, I admit it} Sometimes it's fun to pick on the "New Guys".. <evil grin>
Flame on!!
Good point Motodoc. {You clearly stated it & I agree} some of the "Posters" are right on the mark..
That's why I sed; Most of what I've seen is comments on how hard it accelerates and how fast the bike goes.
Ya'll will notice, there has been little discussion about this BIG THING!!!
I shoulda mentioned; I've been monitoring this discussion {and several others} on both Forums.
In all, the overlying expressions were; how hard it accelerates and how fast the bike goes.
Steve spent a lot of time improving on his last Flash. {Which is already great}
I'm trying to help folks focus on the difference's.
Ride safe, Ted
PS: Stirring the pot sometimes works to bring out idea's..
{and; ok, I admit it} Sometimes it's fun to pick on the "New Guys".. <evil grin>
Flame on!!
Poor Ted, now even the new guys are doggin' him
Don't worry, I knew you were just messin' around, but then it's cus I know you :'(
Steve
Don't worry, I knew you were just messin' around, but then it's cus I know you :'(
Steve
drdavid@epbfi.com
Tricycle
Point taken. Sometimes you have to fire back at the old guys. >
Back to the thread, eh? :nananana:
Back to the thread, eh? :nananana:
kawafornia
Tricycle
Put my MR-equipped C14 through its first paces, Sunday. Definitely smoother at low throttle, but with all the engine braking of before. More stable and confidant, coming out of turns. Thanks, Steve.
nodesurfer
Bicycle
And fast...wicked FAST, right???
connie_rider said:
I'm crushed Ted, I put you up, feed you, lead you around on rides & you treat me like a red headed step child keeping secrets from me :'(. You get the barn & cold ceral when you come back.
connie_rider said:I hear ya..
Danged Winter..
Heck, it snowed in Houston last week!
Was 2 or 3 days before we could ride again!!
Ride safe, Ted
When you had snow I had 65* & sunshine. I was riding :nananana:.
Steve in Sunny Fla said:Poor Ted, now even the new guys are doggin' him
Steve
Bash away new guys. After all that's we keep Ted around :rotflmao:!
Cliff :beerchug:
Somehow,,, I think the topic has shifted from the Mountain Runner Flash to pick on Ted... :'(
Not sure why I got that idea?? :41:
Cliff, I did tell you I had one. You wuzn't listening. {again}
I also told you I wuz having to test it in Houston, (which sux) and you could try it when I come up there.. :nananana:
NOTE: The barn & cold cereal is fine with me; as long as I get to ride Arkansas!! :motonoises:
Ride safe, Ted
Not sure why I got that idea?? :41:
Cliff, I did tell you I had one. You wuzn't listening. {again}
I also told you I wuz having to test it in Houston, (which sux) and you could try it when I come up there.. :nananana:
NOTE: The barn & cold cereal is fine with me; as long as I get to ride Arkansas!! :motonoises:
Ride safe, Ted
I'm crushed Ted, I put you up, feed you, lead you around on rides & you treat me like a red headed step child keeping secrets from me :'(. You get the barn & cold ceral when you come back.
Cliff
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Ted came in right near the tail end of development, he was really miffed that you dog him so bad in the Arkansas curves, and he needed me to do some work on 5th gear for him specifically to be able to stay up with you. I am not a miracle worker, but I sure tried to speed him up, Cliff . :motonoises: Steve
connie_rider said:Somehow,,, I think the topic has shifted from the Mountain Runner Flash to pick on Ted... :'(
Not sure why I got that idea?? :41:
Cliff, I did tell you I had one. You wuzn't listening. {again}
I also told you I wuz having to test it in Houston, (which sux) and you could try it when I come up there.. :nananana:
NOTE: The barn & cold cereal is fine with me; as long as I get to ride Arkansas!! :motonoises:
Ride safe, Ted
My wife says I only half listen. Okay since I was ignoring you, uh I mean not listening you can sleep in the house & have hot meals
.Steve in Sunny Fla said:
I always ride slow when Ted's with me, just don't tell him that.
Okay, back to regularly scheduled programming. Sorry to OP & Steve for the slight derailment. :-[
I'll be getting this flash done once my bike is current on service this winter. Waaay past due & I mean waaaaaay past. It should be in good tune before a reflash to make a fair judgement.
Cliff :beerchug:
That's ok,,, I don't mind being {called} old and slow.
I admit it, I don't want to go to jail. {again}
That makes me a better representative of the other "honest" folks that are trying to decide which flash to buy.
For those of you that ride with your hair on fire,,,, this thing is fast, accelerates like a bullet! :rotflmao:
For those of you that {like me} don't have a lot of hair to burn, this thing is smooth.. {great thru the curves and in traffic)
[which {not mentioning any names} make's you faster {with more control in the curves} than the liars out there] :nananana:
Ride safe, Ted
I admit it, I don't want to go to jail. {again}
That makes me a better representative of the other "honest" folks that are trying to decide which flash to buy.
For those of you that ride with your hair on fire,,,, this thing is fast, accelerates like a bullet! :rotflmao:
For those of you that {like me} don't have a lot of hair to burn, this thing is smooth.. {great thru the curves and in traffic)
[which {not mentioning any names} make's you faster {with more control in the curves} than the liars out there] :nananana:
Ride safe, Ted
Fountainclimber
Big Wheel
I rode up to Steve's on Saturday and got the MR flash. Steve did all the work, I just had to wait anxiously. I'm not a very aggressive rider like you other guys since the old lady is usually on the back but it definitely pulls better from at least 2000 up. Smoother power but the biggest thing I noticed was the smoothness when you let off the throttle. No jerky helmet banging. Mileage is up but since I didn't notice what it was, I can't tell now except the average number continues to climb. So get a tune for Christmas!
For Sale $$$: Highly coveted black Shoodaben Engineering decal (my bike is black) ;D
F
For Sale $$$: Highly coveted black Shoodaben Engineering decal (my bike is black) ;D
F
drdavid@epbfi.com
Tricycle
Well, I finally got another chance to ride today, I actually got an afternoon off and the temp was about 60. This flash has smoothed everything out from top to bottom. Smooth on and off throttle, smooth in and out of turns, the engine braking negates the brakes when riding at a sane speeds. And yes, it's FAST!!!
And...I got my decal on! My life is complete.
And...I got my decal on! My life is complete.
Kevin, while your being jealous, I'll mention; "Jorge" was there with us, it was in the 80's, and the weather was beautiful. >
{PS: Don't hate me. Hate Jorge!} :rotflmao:
Ride safe, Ted
{PS: Don't hate me. Hate Jorge!} :rotflmao:
Ride safe, Ted
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