There was a bit of discussion in the C14 section about ABS. I ran into this video that I thought did a good job of showing the difference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6kO6ltk3a0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6kO6ltk3a0
Not when your front tire meets cold/wet concrete slab sprinkled with post-accident antifreeze/oil mix.lather said:I still prefer a bike without ABS :motonoises: half a million mile without it and I'm still here.
+1 ABS :great:RoadKillHeaven said:Not when your front tire meets cold/wet concrete slab sprinkled with post-accident antifreeze/oil mix.lather said:I still prefer a bike without ABS :motonoises: half a million mile without it and I'm still here.
All my bikes were non-ABS. C14 is the first ABS. I am strong proponent of this tech on any motor vehicle, more-so on a bike.
I don't want to rain on your parade but your bike did not decelerate better sliding on its side than it would have had you kept it upright and hard on the brakes. You have created a thing in your mind that doesn't bear out in the physics of motorcycling. This is every crash story ive ever heard, "i knew i wasn't going to make it". Well, that means you mentally eliminated the option of the most effective deceleration tool at your disposal. You need to reexamine that thought process, and i realize that it's difficult because it's rooted in a traumatic experience. Always keep it upright and on the brakes. Stay safe out there.Dark Helmet said:Just joined the Forum, first post. Two years ago I had a very large delivery truck make a left in front of me on a 55mph 4 lane. My 2006 BMW GSA did not have ABS and while panic stopping I had the rear wheel locked up but not the front. I could tell I wasn't going to get stopped in time and that if I hit the truck it would be in the passenger door, which would have been very bad, or, I would hit the truck in the cargo box, which was pretty high up. I would have had my torso hit the cargo box and my lower half would have gone under. Not a good option. I laid it down and I stopped just short of the truck but my bike hit it. I broke ten bones and had a punctured lung. I think ABS would have helped, and have decided that I will always buy bikes with ABS. When you are in a panic stop like that its not the same as practicing panic stops. You have too much going through your head trying to find ways out or minimize damage to be 100% focused on braking.
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Thanks Cpt Obvious, here's where i point out your response to a response by a one post person from over a year ago. Go ahead and reply again and we'll just keep the cycle going. :beerchug:
responding to a "one post" person, that posted over a year ago... is kind of moot.
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just mentioning.. :truce: :beerchug: :beerchug:
Nickrides said:I'm a fan of ABS ... I've practiced full performance stops on my C-14 and I don't think I could beat my ABS with non-ABS...
Yes, I recall the same technique from my MSF class. Great to keep in mind, for sure!dcstrng said:Nickrides said:I'm a fan of ABS ... I've practiced full performance stops on my C-14 and I don't think I could beat my ABS with non-ABS...
Mine is non ABS (by choice -- distrust techno-gadgetry), but I'm inclined to think you are quite correct (especially for us average -- or less -- riders). My ABS will never malfunction, nor will it need maintenance, but I have tattooed in my head that if I ever lock the rear wheel in a panic stop, I need to keep it locked until I get stopped (to help mitigate high-siding), a habit I've used seldom -- but for years.
I totally agree. I was riding in South Dakota and came upon a motorcycle wreck. The LEO came over and told me the rider had "laid it down". I replied that if he had enough skill to "lay it down", that he had enough skill to avoid the accident entirely. He thought for a second and chuckled at the logic in that.HeavyRotation said:I don't want to rain on your parade but your bike did not decelerate better sliding on its side than it would have had you kept it upright and hard on the brakes. ...
Gsled said:You have to remember that ABS was not developed to shorten stopping distances. The insurance industry crunched numbers a determined many accidents were a result of lose of steering control and stability during (panic) breaking. This line of reasoning ignores tailgating and target fixation. The ability to maintain threshold braking will result in shorter stopping distances than relying on abs even though the modern systems are greatly improved for original. That being said if you find yourself in a situation involving abs actuation start searching for a way past by steering to an escape route (should have already been planned by then)
Tundra said:I was a non ABS guy and thoughts were it dumbed down rider skill/ability. I changed my mind with my first ABS bike years ago. It was wonderful...However I'm not a fan of the brakes on my Concours, worst I've ever had in 40 years of riding. I don't believe it's the ABS, my thoughts are it's the 2012 model year specifically and it's more attributed to the "linked brakes" Mine suck. I've gone through everything, fluid and hard parts. People say you have to get used to it, or use the front only as it will apply both, yata yata yata. Shouldn't need to get used to crappy brakes.
Cal said:If ABS kicks in you have done something wrong, or missed an indicator that you should have already been going slower or begun stopping sooner.
I almost did a stoppy once. I was commuting south to work through the Renton S Curves... Normally, I'd start moving over from the HOV lane to my exit in a couple miles, but I could see the traffic was coming to a crawl. I find it difficult to maneuver a heavy bike in bumper to bumper traffic when you are barely moving fast enough to keep your balance, and you don't know if the guy to the side will give you enough room to move over, and you don't know if the vehicle in front of you will come to a full stop with no warning.Rastus said:...I have almost done a stoppy with my fully loaded Connie when a ...
Very interesting picture to be sure. Where's Paul Harvey when you need him?Nosmo said:I'm not sure who posted this picture, but it was quite a few years ago. It was a COG member, I think. Not sure of the whole story, either, but I think it had something to do with not enough stopping distance. I saved it because it was just a very interesting picture.
If the OP is still around and objects, I'll delete this post and apologize.