“ This flash is better”... we all want to make the best choice for ourselves, but most folks don't understand that just like picking the bike you ride, there isn't a “one flash fits all” solution when it comes to tuning. Just because someone says “this flash is better” doesn't mean it's better for the way you ride. And in the end, all that matters is that you make the best choice for yourself... after all, you're paying for it.
After 3 years of flashing c-14's and almost 700 Concours flashed, with tons of customer feedback via conversation and reviews, I'd like to share some thoughts on this.
First of all, flashing in and of itself is evolving. As more techniques are developed, more accessibility to the ecu is gained, and most of all customer feedback is considered, the art improves. Each year I've offered upgrades and updates. This is important to bear in mind, because I will readily say that my current flashes clearly outshine my Original Flash, the Decel Flash, the original Area P Full System Flash and even the Evolution Flash. If any of these flashes would be compared to Mountain Runner, The Classic, or the new Areas P flashes, the improvements will be immediately noticeable. Therefore it would be natural to say that my most current offerings are the best tunes I've ever offered for the c-14
Now how about comparing my most current flashes? They are both targeted to different riders. Why? Let's compare.
Mountain Runner and the Classic are both great flashes, and ultimately make the same power (152 HP). Yet they will be polarizing in who prefers each flash, depending on what's important to them as a rider. The primary difference is below 10% throttle. Mountain Runner has somewhat muted throttle response and improved engine braking below 10% throttle. The Classic gives you all the power available at any given point in the throttle, from the very first degree of throttle opening.
Why is up to 10% throttle important? Because the c-14 has such a large and powerful engine, you would be amazed at how much riding can be done under 10% throttle. For instance, on my c-14 with a large windscreen and bags I can hold 80mph on the level interstate with 9 to 10% throttle. Think about that for a minute. Most of our average light throttle tooling around is being done under 10% throttle.
This sets up an obvious point for comparison. Mountain Runner may feel less responsive to some folks. In this area, the Classic will clearly seem more aggressive and impressive power -wise. Mountain Runner has a “kitten and tiger” personality... when you're light on the throttle you'ld never know the c-14 is as powerful as it is. Scroll the throttle up and it's all there. Classic just begs for more throttle. Some would say the engine feels “freed up, like it's not fighting itself”. Very throttle responsive at light throttle means your brain will think it's ultimately stronger than the Mountain Runner. Not so.
If you were to compare both flashes in a non – technical or familiar riding environment, The Classic will CLEARLY be more impressive. Pop the ECU in your bike, and take that fist ride around your block and immediate riding area that you are familiar with. WOW. Do the same with the Mountain Runner, you may feel the Classic is the better flash. Even to me, a ride around the block with the Classic is certainly more impressive. Its willingness to accelerate with almost no throttle application is intoxicating.
Now take the comparison to some technical or unfamiliar roads, and almost every rider except the most aggressive will find the bike easier to control with Mountain Runner. Think about that. This is where the finite throttle control and engine braking shine. Curve entrance speeds are set using throttle moreso than brakes. Less braking means a smoother rider. Powering out is more controllable due to the the improved throttle control. The guys who pushed me to develop Mountain Runner knew exactly what they wanted, and why.
I can ride whatever flash I want, yet I keep Mountain Runner in my own C-14. I am more confident with it while technical riding and when on roads I haven't ridden before as I don't know what to expect from curves and turns I've never been on previously.
The point here is that not everyone wants the same thing, but I am offering choices to the c-14 owner. Pick the tuning YOU PREFER FOR WHAT IMPRESSES YOU. Then you will clearly have “the better flash”.
Please keep in mind that if you have an older flash that's been discontinued, I have updates and upgrades available. Updates are free to the original purchasers, just cover the shipping costs. Upgrades are 75.00 which include shipping costs.
Currently I have updates for the full System Area P flash, and the Original flash may be updated to the Classic Flash. Mountain Runner or the Classic flash would be available upgrades for those with the Original, Decel, or the Evolution Flash.
I hope folks understand my intent is to give the most up to date products, the best service, and the most choices to my customers. I work hard at bettering my products based on your feedback because your satisfaction is important to me. Thanks for all the support you've give to Shoodaben Engineering over all these years.
Steve
After 3 years of flashing c-14's and almost 700 Concours flashed, with tons of customer feedback via conversation and reviews, I'd like to share some thoughts on this.
First of all, flashing in and of itself is evolving. As more techniques are developed, more accessibility to the ecu is gained, and most of all customer feedback is considered, the art improves. Each year I've offered upgrades and updates. This is important to bear in mind, because I will readily say that my current flashes clearly outshine my Original Flash, the Decel Flash, the original Area P Full System Flash and even the Evolution Flash. If any of these flashes would be compared to Mountain Runner, The Classic, or the new Areas P flashes, the improvements will be immediately noticeable. Therefore it would be natural to say that my most current offerings are the best tunes I've ever offered for the c-14
Now how about comparing my most current flashes? They are both targeted to different riders. Why? Let's compare.
Mountain Runner and the Classic are both great flashes, and ultimately make the same power (152 HP). Yet they will be polarizing in who prefers each flash, depending on what's important to them as a rider. The primary difference is below 10% throttle. Mountain Runner has somewhat muted throttle response and improved engine braking below 10% throttle. The Classic gives you all the power available at any given point in the throttle, from the very first degree of throttle opening.
Why is up to 10% throttle important? Because the c-14 has such a large and powerful engine, you would be amazed at how much riding can be done under 10% throttle. For instance, on my c-14 with a large windscreen and bags I can hold 80mph on the level interstate with 9 to 10% throttle. Think about that for a minute. Most of our average light throttle tooling around is being done under 10% throttle.
This sets up an obvious point for comparison. Mountain Runner may feel less responsive to some folks. In this area, the Classic will clearly seem more aggressive and impressive power -wise. Mountain Runner has a “kitten and tiger” personality... when you're light on the throttle you'ld never know the c-14 is as powerful as it is. Scroll the throttle up and it's all there. Classic just begs for more throttle. Some would say the engine feels “freed up, like it's not fighting itself”. Very throttle responsive at light throttle means your brain will think it's ultimately stronger than the Mountain Runner. Not so.
If you were to compare both flashes in a non – technical or familiar riding environment, The Classic will CLEARLY be more impressive. Pop the ECU in your bike, and take that fist ride around your block and immediate riding area that you are familiar with. WOW. Do the same with the Mountain Runner, you may feel the Classic is the better flash. Even to me, a ride around the block with the Classic is certainly more impressive. Its willingness to accelerate with almost no throttle application is intoxicating.
Now take the comparison to some technical or unfamiliar roads, and almost every rider except the most aggressive will find the bike easier to control with Mountain Runner. Think about that. This is where the finite throttle control and engine braking shine. Curve entrance speeds are set using throttle moreso than brakes. Less braking means a smoother rider. Powering out is more controllable due to the the improved throttle control. The guys who pushed me to develop Mountain Runner knew exactly what they wanted, and why.
I can ride whatever flash I want, yet I keep Mountain Runner in my own C-14. I am more confident with it while technical riding and when on roads I haven't ridden before as I don't know what to expect from curves and turns I've never been on previously.
The point here is that not everyone wants the same thing, but I am offering choices to the c-14 owner. Pick the tuning YOU PREFER FOR WHAT IMPRESSES YOU. Then you will clearly have “the better flash”.
Please keep in mind that if you have an older flash that's been discontinued, I have updates and upgrades available. Updates are free to the original purchasers, just cover the shipping costs. Upgrades are 75.00 which include shipping costs.
Currently I have updates for the full System Area P flash, and the Original flash may be updated to the Classic Flash. Mountain Runner or the Classic flash would be available upgrades for those with the Original, Decel, or the Evolution Flash.
I hope folks understand my intent is to give the most up to date products, the best service, and the most choices to my customers. I work hard at bettering my products based on your feedback because your satisfaction is important to me. Thanks for all the support you've give to Shoodaben Engineering over all these years.
Steve