Call me boney-butt cuz I have one. I've been in constant persuit of eliminating the ABBS (Achey Boney Butt Syndrome for the last few years. A couple of years ago I purchased some LD Riding Shorts. Designed for riders by riders. Their secrets are: wicking material, and no seams on the butt section. They claim that the butt pain is caused by sweating and the seam pressure. This past Saturday on the Nubble Light ride I ran an experiment. Normally I wear the LD Riding Shorts under a pair of jeans, then my JR pants over top. This time: LD Riding Shorts under a pair of "Chillies" long underwear, then the JR pants over top. None of these have seams that would put pressure on my butt. Typically on an all day ride my butt is killing me. This time I only had very minor discomfort. A major difference. ABBS cured at last! Greg H from Mass, Connie Droppers Anonymous Awards Dude COG# 7010,a Tracey CDA 120 (2.0) 99 Connie "Herrin Christabelle", 05 Ninja 250