Just thought I'd share my winter jacket set up. I use a Joe rocket phoenix in 5XL (I like to eat). I bought one of those high vis jackets that look like its for mine workers from Rural King for 20$ on sale (normally $40). I take the liner out of both and wear the miner jacket over my Joe rocket. I have the wind block and high VI's from the miner jacket and protection from the Joe Rocket. Just a thought for y'all