What get's me is the consistency... And I'm impressed with the tire compound!
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No one needs ABS until they need it.
I actually have a question about this on a C10; is it more likely to endo on a hard stop? Or is it more likely for the front wheel to tuck?This is the way. ABS is a great tool to have for the occasional gotcha, but not a replacement for good braking skills. Based on many years of observations working many experienced rider training courses, IMHO there are many riders out there with poor braking skills who rely 100% on ABS to save their bacon. If fact another long time instructor once stated ABS = absence of breaking skills. I probably wouldn't get a bike going forward now that doesn't have ABS, but I practice braking skills all the time, which develops the habit of proper brake usage.... which will be the technique applied in an emergent situation. Without developing the skills as a habit, we will revert to the method of braking we use the most - for some that is grabbing a handful of brake.
I actually have a question about this on a C10; is it more likely to endo on a hard stop? Or is it more likely for the front wheel to tuck?
I've never ridden a bike with ABS before. I learned early on (in my first accident and the one that totalled Persephone) NOT to grab a fistful of front brake in a panic. I've been practicing applying full brakes in an emergency stop on Voyager, and I'm STUNNED at how quickly I can actually get it to stop. That said, ill definitely get an ABS C14 when it's time.
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The definition of Threshold Braking (aka maximum braking) is "full application of both brakes without locking either wheel." FWIW, this applies to ABS and non-ABS braking systems.
IMHO... Getting a C10 to endo is highly unlikely and you nailed the potential braking related issue for C10... overbraking and wheel lockup.
These are MSF's typical recommendations regarding overbraking conditions...
- Locking the rear wheel cause loss of steering control. The risk of releasing a locked rear wheel on a surface with good traction is a high-side. It is recommended to not release rear brake in this situation, using front brake to come to complete stop.
- Locking the front wheel causes loss of control. If noticed early the front brake can be released to recover and reapplied - although lengthening braking distance. If not corrected the front wheel will "tuck" (your wording) and the bike may low-side or high-side, depending on conditions/rider input.
I've heard that the Linked brakes on a C-14 work fine for trail braking.
I've also heard that trail braking is done only with the front brake...
I thunk Whuttttt????.
So, I've had the same question you asked.
ie; how do the linked brakes on a C14 affect rake in the corners when trail braking?
I just found this Trail Braking video.
At the 35 second mark, he sez that Trail Braking can be done with either brake. (First time I've heard that)
ie; Both {or either} brake will compress the front end, and both {or either} will allow the front suspension to extend smoothly if you ease the braking as you roll the throttle.
Bottom line; It now makes sense to me that the C-14 Linked Brakes will work fine for Trail braking.
Watch the video. It's a good/basic one that helped me get the Trail braking idea into my head...
Ride safe, Ted
Let the Flames begin!
I believe it would be next to impossible to Endo a C10 from braking alone. Locking the front is possible but would still take some effort with OEM brakes, unlike some pre ABS sport bike brake systems that can do either with just a couple fingers.I actually have a question about this on a C10; is it more likely to endo on a hard stop? Or is it more likely for the front wheel to tuck?
Many owners of the pre-2015 bikes with linked brakes found it to be far to unsettling when applying the rear in a corner, as the linked (overactive) front made the bike straighten up. Kawasaki 'recalibrated' the ABS - T/C system from 2015 models to prevent this happening.Guess the only way to find out is to get a C14 and send it! ( I still haven't ridden a C14.....)
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Many owners of the pre-2015 bikes with linked brakes found it to be far to unsettling when applying the rear in a corner, as the linked (overactive) front made the bike straighten up. Kawasaki 'recalibrated' the ABS - T/C system from 2015 models to prevent this happening.
Some owners eliminated the link to solve the problem on those earlier ones.
Yes, Kevin would lift the back tire while sliding on his front tire.