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Why my BMW is better than your C14

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Jeff_Hudspeth_TN

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OK, first off, I am just having a little fun here, so don't nobody go getting yer undies in a wad... 10. I get better gas mileage. 9. My tires last longer. 8. It's got just the right amount of power, not too little, and not too much. 7. It's sooooo much easier to work on. 6. Ladies think I'm rich. 5. No KIPASS 4. luggage does not fall off. 3. dash doesn't melt 2. heated grips are standard and the number 1 reason my BMW is better than your C14 - 1. No heat blisters on my legs!
 
Interesting place to air your comments. I have no panties to wad, no C14 or nothing. Just an interesting place for the comments. I am sure someone will have a worthy reply. ---------------------------------- I will answer any question. It is up to you to figure out if I should have.
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:quest: and you posted this why? I am amused though...very amused. TOP 10 REASON MY C-14 IS BETTER THAN YOUR BEEMER.... 10) it has a 6 year warrentee 9) it's a KAWASAKI 8) I CAN work on it... 7) parts $$ and available add ons are better 6) why cares about tire life, it sticks like glue. 5) Squids AND Harley riders move outta MY way 4) I can brag about having a NEW bike.. 3) chicks DIG IT... 2) I get Huge Wood when I ride it...huge Wood.... and the # 1 reason my C14 is better'n yer B'mr.... I CAN MAKE YOU LOOK LIKE YOURE DRIVING IN REVERSE... ANYTIME I WANT.... ;p Rich Riczinger COG 5977 Tech Editor,The Concourier
 
Hmmm... Just like Letterman... Being #2 must really pain you! Let me add to MoB's comments... No catastrophic final drive failures!!! What's German for potato? RayK COG# 8125 CDA# 0273 '08 ZG 1400 '07 KLR650 '99 CBR1100XX (sold) '94 Ducati 900SS/CR (sold)
 
So tell me Jeff, why did you feel compelled to write an inflammatory statement about your BMW on the Concours forum? Thats a troll tactic and you aren't a troll are ya? I'm sure you are happy as a clam with your BMW. Enjoy it. And enjoy their forums... Gerry B PS I don't own a C-14 and my panties aren't wadded.
 
Is that the 325 or the 525 series beemer? :eg: Oh the ladies think you are rich? Better stop hanging around the 7-11 then. HA! AKA "2linby" That's 2-lin-by folks! Northwest Area Director COG #5539 AMA #927779 IBA #15034 Team Oregon MC Instructor
 
Jeff: We're waiting for the RDF, but hoping it doesn't happen to a pretty nice guy. :) tcars John
 
C'mon guys, don't check your sense of humor at the door. It's a just for fun thread. Go ahead and insult my Beemer, I don't care. If you feel the need to attack me over this, well then I would suggest you don't understand the spirit in which it was offered. Go for a ride instead. As for the RFD's in BMW's - well I hope I don't suffer that affliction as well. BMW has certainly had more than their fair share of these. On the other hand, my research indicates it mostly happens in the newer bikes (mine has the old final drive unit) and even then it is still a relatively small percentage of bikes that have experienced it. Also final drive failures happen to other brands as well, but not nearly as often. Anytime I see a new model from ANY manufacturer (bike, car, whatever) that has a ton of new technology (like KIPASS, and the C14 has a new final drive unit also) I tend to back off and let others own it for a few years before I am willing to toss my hat in the ring. My 2001 BMW is a very basic model - no ABS, no linked brakes, etc. I like simplicity. It gets me down the road just fine, and I am hoping to take a long trip to Maine this summer on it.
 
Rich, I've seen you ride........ You'll never make anyone look like they're driving in reverse! :) jason
 
I think if I got HUGE wood riding a C14, my wife would run out and buy me one. I just don't think you'd get to ride it much though. Oh the bike that is! AKA "2linby" That's 2-lin-by folks! Northwest Area Director COG #5539 AMA #927779 IBA #15034 Team Oregon MC Instructor
 
Well you may think your Beemer is better but your maintainance costs are way more, the engineering is eccentric and expensive, and at least one of the dealers in this part of the world are stealers. The only thing Beemer has on the rest of us,is price, it is way over the top by tons!!! I'd rahter spend the saved $$$ on expensive fuel and SS1000 rides etc.. That's my $.02.
 
<<< My 2001 BMW is a very basic model - no ABS, no linked brakes, etc. I like simplicity. It gets me down the road just fine, and I am hoping to take a long trip to Maine this summer on it. >>> Simplicity. Basic.. Yes... Just like the Royal Enfield Bullet I rode last year.... :)
 
Not so sure I'd want a BMW. A family member has two of them, and told me a boxer twin with 100k miles was still in better condition than a new Jap bike. He rode to Atlanta and got caught in a rainstorm and viola! no igintion. His ignition system died. Now his other bike's starter got wet and won't start. Both were on out-of-state trips. And the parts are not cheap. I had an instructor who used to work on BMW's professionally and called them "Bavarian Manure Wagons". :)
 
I have a problem with BMW generally.Way overrated and overpriced. I just can't see paying a premium for technology that's 85 years old, basically.Every boxer Beemer is just a dolled up R32. And for that they want a premium? Bob "Flylooper" Burns COG #5887 E Clampus Vitus, YB#1 '04 FJR 1300
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Beemers have better batteries, or at least they cost more.My friend's battery died in his 10-year-old 1150RS and he was on a trip. The local dealer (somewhere in NC) had one in stock and it was only $180! Maybe it was the gold terminals?
 
Now I gotta ask, are there any Connie owners going to BMW forums to act stupid? Dear Mr. BMW lover, you left off the one number in your countdown about your BMW - 0. Now that's a number I can identify with you and your bike. Well, not your bike, any bike is better than a cage. Just funnin ya.
 
That was a great one , i liked it , but you forgot to say that the beemer is around 12 grand more to go slower,lol
 
Alternately, you could all just buy a C-10... and a KLR... and a ZX6... and put the rest of the money in the bank. :)
 
Brett, now you're on to somethin! ----------------------- Brent Johnson AMA# 1046574 COG# unknown but joined :) SF Bay Area California 1988 Red Concours "Ruby" connie-dot-mrpepsi-dot-com
 
------------------------------------------- flylooper wrote: have a problem with BMW generally.Way overrated and overpriced. I just can't see paying a premium for technology that's 85 years old, basically.Every boxer Beemer is just a dolled up R32. --
 
I was in Germany and Switzerland last week for the OtP thing and GCE Rally. Rented the R1200GS. Don't know nuttin 'bout an R32 but let me tell ya, that 1200GS is an incredible machine. It was the perfect bike for the tight roads in the small European towns, and on switchbacks only other adventure touring type bikes could match it. Perfectly balanced, agile, great low end power. Sure, it ran out of grunt early, but it ran fast enough that no one got away from me, and I reeled them in at will. The Germans were giving me crap about Americans not knowing how to ride (another story) until I started doing full lock figure eights in the parking lot at walking pace. And then when I left them behind going up Stelvio, they were even more impressed. And so was I because I know my C10 and C14 would have been a lot of work to keep up.
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Jim, No matter which way you cut it, the value isn't there for all but a tiny fraction of a percentage of motorcycle riders. (And in the case of tourers, one could argue that there is no value at all) You get a ton more bang for the buck with any other good metric bike made by the Big 4. BMW charges too much money for them things and they get it largely for the same reason their friggin' cars sell: Marketing. Same phenomenon with H-D. In other words...."I have a Beemer and you don't" (Note the tone of Jeff Hudspeth's original post here! He's not alone, you know.) After all, didn't you choose a non-BMW product? Bob "Flylooper" Burns COG #5887 E Clampus Vitus, YB#1 '04 FJR 1300
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I have to disagree, Bob, the value IS there for a large percantage of riders, touring riders included. I work with a guy who has a 12LT and just last week turned 200k with no problems. And on a daily basis, I see almost as many R12GS's running around the valley as I do Japanese bikes. (FYI, BMW is metric, if you didn't know) Yes, I chose a C10 back in 86 because it was the better deal at the time. Only $6k OTD. But one can argue now that the price differential isn't as much of a factor as it used to be. $14k to $15k for the new Japanese ST bikes isn't that much less than the BMW's. When my C10 needed replacing, I looked at Beemers, but I decided the value of the C10 was still there so I got another one. And with the new 14, I caught the dealer on a major down day - end of month, rainy day, almost the end of the year... he was hurting for a sale. For two hours we went back and forth. I walked out the door several times only to have him make me another offer. I didn't need another bike, I wasn't really planning on buying in the first place, but when he said $11,050 for the ABS model, I couldn't say no. But at the time, I was considering the K1200GT which was only $4k more. One thing that may not have come across in my post is the versatility of the 1200GS. Remember how we all raved about how the C10 was just a great all around bike? A real pack mule that could do it all? Well the 1200GS is even better. Better balanced, more agile, less tippy, better low end grunt, more carrying capacity... the only place it lacks is top end and admit it, just how often can we ride over 100mph for miles on end? The GS can do it, just not as comfortably. Ya know, Bob, I suspect you've always been a closet BMW fan but have gotten bitter because you couldn't afford one. :)
 
but when he said $11,050 for the ABS model, I couldn't say no. But at the time, I was considering the K1200GT which was only $4k more. yAH....on what planet was this? Kalifornya? On the east coast, the K1200GT was sitting @ $18,600 + freight ($475), for the lowest equipped versions, of which there were no such animals as the dealers bought "package bikes", all of which hovered at or above $20k + Tax/tag/title/dealer fees (approx $2k on that price) these guys are one of the premier dealers in va: http://www.mortonsbmw.com/newbikes.html check the prices....they never deal either....
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Poorly worded... the hang tag on the ABS C14 was $14.5k, and local BMW shops had the K12GT for $18 and change, hence the $4k figure. Local BMW dealers tend not to negotiate on price, but throw in a lot of other incentives - riding gear, accessories, training, etc.
 
Hey Jim, Glad y'all had fun in Schweiz and all got home safe. Yer really comparing apples and pears. The BMW GS is going to handle the mountain passes better than any sports or ST bike. You have wider bars, better visibility (higher) and it's a twin an thus better power/torque delivery at low rpm. Now if you were comparing the C14 with the K1200GT on the same roads it'd be a fair comparison. As for the prices, here the C14 is
 
Boomer wrote: Now if you were comparing the C14 with the K1200GT on the same roads it'd be a fair comparison. As for the prices, here the C14 is
 
Boomer wrote: Yer really comparing apples and pears. The BMW GS is going to handle the mountain passes better than any sports or ST bike. You have wider bars, better visibility (higher) and it's a twin an thus better power/torque delivery at low rpm. ------------------------------------------ Yeah, that was what I tried to point out in my report in the other post, and here in my dig at Bob. But the argument could be made that the 12GS is an ST bike. It certainly was sporting on those roads, and it tours marvelously. Considering how many guys put on bars risers or aftermarket bars that are higher/wider and add cushy saddles on their so-called ST bikes, I gotta ask the question... Just what makes an ST bike? Some say a ZX14 with soft luggage is sport touring. For others it has to be the comfort of a Pan-European. So the category is wide open. Never had a chance to ride the 12GT, one of these days I'll go try one. I think the F650 is a little small for Boomer <LOL>. Hell, even the F800 would be small. Cheers Jim
 
Mr. Hudspeth wrote:"So don't nobody..." ??? Ahh...now I see why you think your Bimmer is better (wink) I'd like to reply: drum roll.... 10. I doubt it...my C14 averages 45 to 47 mpg if I tame my wrist. And that is actual calculated MPG..not some non-sense off the pilot box 9. Indeed...indeed. That's because this beast is putting about 40% more torque to the rear wheel. 8. TOO MUCH power? Man you wouldn't make much of a Congressman! 7. I wouldn't know. I take mine to the shop. 6. Ladies KNOW I'm loaded. But in reality the ony one I'm trying to impress is the only lady. ;p 5. After having this KiPass...I don't ever want a bike WITHOUT one. 4. My luggage has never fallen off in 20,000 miles. At least my drive shaft won't fall off Mr. BMW. :p 3. Nope dash never melted...but I've "melted" a few rear tires. 2. Personally I would have a heated grip stuck up my azz. If it's less than 40 I'm taking a car. 1. I stil don't get the heat thing. never have. The heat from the Concours is non-existent in my book. If you wants some heat take my 25 year old full dressed Yamaha XS1100 (air cooled inline four with lowers) across Nevada in August. The C14 has no heat compared to a bike like this. I noticed you didn't criticize the "looks" of the C14. Hmmm...probably because this is the only view you've had of one... :eg: A Bimmer Pilot's view of a C14 ;p MOO!
 
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I have to disagree, Bob, the value IS there for a large percantage of riders, touring riders included. I work with a guy who has a 12LT and just last week turned 200k with no problems. And on a daily basis, I see almost as many R12GS's running around the valley as I do Japanese bikes. (FYI, BMW is metric, if you didn't know) Yes, I chose a C10 back in 86 because it was the better deal at the time. Only $6k OTD. But one can argue now that the price differential isn't as much of a factor as it used to be. $14k to $15k for the new Japanese ST bikes isn't that much less than the BMW's. When my C10 needed replacing, I looked at Beemers, but I decided the value of the C10 was still there so I got another one. And with the new 14, I caught the dealer on a major down day - end of month, rainy day, almost the end of the year... he was hurting for a sale. For two hours we went back and forth. I walked out the door several times only to have him make me another offer. I didn't need another bike, I wasn't really planning on buying in the first place, but when he said $11,050 for the ABS model, I couldn't say no. But at the time, I was considering the K1200GT which was only $4k more. One thing that may not have come across in my post is the versatility of the 1200GS. Remember how we all raved about how the C10 was just a great all around bike? A real pack mule that could do it all? Well the 1200GS is even better. Better balanced, more agile, less tippy, better low end grunt, more carrying capacity... the only place it lacks is top end and admit it, just how often can we ride over 100mph for miles on end? The GS can do it, just not as comfortably. Ya know, Bob, I suspect you've always been a closet BMW fan but have gotten bitter because you couldn't afford one.
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Huh? I don't get it. You tell me "the value is there" and then run out and get a C14 after considering the K1200GT as the competition to the Concours? Something ain't computin', Jim. As for my own preferences, I'm out of the argument altogether, since I'm on a FJR1300. No, I don't yearn for a Beemer, car or bike. I'm a "value" buyer which is why I'll take my Japanese sport sedan and my Yamaha bike all day long to anything from (is it?) Stuttart. I think what I'm saying is that perception drives up the cost of anything with a BMW badge, at least in this country. Yes, they are high quality; yes there is lots of technology in them. (Well, to an extent. They're still just boxer twins in the case of the "R" bikes) Simply put, I think you get more bang on a Japanese bike then on any BMW of comparable ability. It is not unfair to say that there is also a snob factor at play. BMW has traded on it for years. By any measure, the Japanese offer very comparable bikes to anything from Germany. And their sales show it. Bob "Flylooper" Burns COG #5887 E Clampus Vitus, YB#1 '04 FJR 1300
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No more BMW for me!! I owned an 87'K-75, a 96' K1100LT, and an 05'R1200GS. They had some good qualities to them but their bad points finally drove me away. They are too expensive and not worth it. Their dealer network is suffering. They were hard to maintain,simple things became uneccessarily difficult because of poor, quirky design. Parts are expensive. The seats were uncomfortable. Two final drive failures on my 1200GS. The list goes on but I have to go for now. Don't be fooled by thinking you're moving up to a BMW. You're just buying a money pit. I have an 09 C14 now and let me tell you,its just as good a bike and in most ways better! Definately more fun!!
 
easier to work on ? My riding partner has an R1150S 2hr battery cahnge and a $175$ battery #7 means you must be real ugly #8 too much power ???? go back to your BMW moped All BMW means is big mans wallet 1,2,3,4,10 ain't happening here
 
Just an observation.. if it last longer than 4 hours, see a doctor right away. I usually stop after 3 hours to calm down. Ted Proud to be American! (since 2005) Lost and found in 1991 2008 C14 "Freebird"
 
my undies are okay but couldn't resist to respond you get more than 51 mpg? I wear my tire out faster than you on your BMW because of the way I ride, it's me not the bike!!1 not too much power? I can't have enough power because I Use all the powerI can get Ladies think I'm rich because I pay to have my bike serviced, and I can afford to have that done I love my KIPASS because because the ladies think I can do magic, turn my bike on without a key! wow Haven't lost my luggage, or my marbles, or anything else and my bags are bigger than yours, My dash doesn't melt and it looks so much cooler than yours. Heated grips? 100 dgrees out here! hello!if i need all that I buy a mercedes not a bike heat on my legs? poor baby, get a car with A/C. it's hot out here, wonder where the heat is coming from, maybe I should just ride in the winter? Maybe the heat has something to do with getting huge? hmmm? Glad YOU have a BMW not me! Less power to you! thanls for the kind input and reaffirming me that I bought the right bike for MYSELF! Ted Proud to be American! (since 2005) Lost and found in 1991 2008 C14 "Freebird"
 
I was just wondering ... I would like someone to ride with me in the twiesties with the bike they say works so much better than my C-14 and put that to a real life test. I don't by this at all that other bikes do better in the mountains etc. I ride in the mountains almost every saturday and I have friends on CRB1000. I hand with this (the good riders) in the corners and they have to work to keep up with me. the bike is so easy to handle in the corners and tight roads , I just don't know how it can get any better or easier. Just an observation. maybe we should have some bmw riders at the nationals and do the tail of the dragon and put that mystery to rest just a thought! Proud to be American! (since 2005) Lost and found in 1991 2008 C14 "Freebird"
 
In the end it just comes down to what you think is right for you. That decision is based on fact, fiction, marketing, and how deep your pockets are; and the relative importance of each of those four things varies from person to person. Are you happy with your ride? Great! Fire the thing up and let's get going. Bob "Flylooper" Burns COG #5887 E Clampus Vitus, YB#1 '04 FJR 1300
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do me a favor and talk to me about that exhaust system you have and anything else you've done to your C-14 I just got back from the big bend ride with the texans. we had a blast. we had to cover some dirt road for awhile to get back on the regular road. there were 2 bmw's who had past us while we were TAKING A BREAK, and they had turned around and not gone across the dirt road. were they afraid to get their bikes dirty or else? We might need a forum for these guys on our site "Beware Motorcyclist Whiner" so we can talk about our Connies here and not have to let them cry on our shoulders about their costly mistakes and trying to make them feel better about it. Ted Proud to be American! (since 2005) Lost and found in 1991 2008 C14 "Freebird"
 
I'm just going to keep it simple. I just don't believe there is another bike out there (including BMW) which can put as big of smile on my face as the C-14 everytime I ride it.
 
Both have wheels. Both are fun. I rode the C10 model for 8 years. I finally got tired of waiting for the C14 to show up. I bought my first BMW in 2005 RT1150 dual spark. Good bike but in my opinion was NOT as good as the Connie. I had the Rifle and Corbin. Next year I traded for a SMALLER BMW a R1150RS. Good bike but it had the studdering in the low RPM range that BMW said it did not exist. It was single spark. Then I traded up one year and got a dual spark RS. Good bike but not as comfortable as the Connie. Fun though. In 07 I traded again for a R1200RT. Great bike. As good as my old Connie. Different but still great. Here is the nail. I put over 80K on two Connies and it cost me only $2500 purchase vs resale. I considered them free bikes. Now the BMW I must have spent $10K to purchase vs trade in over the last 4 bikes. OUCH! Good news is I plan to keep it and put 100K and more on this RT12. It is that good. Of course so is the Connie. If you see a Blue BMW R1200RT in the Central Valley of California say HI. Bill P
 
Ted wrote: "I would like someone to ride with me in the twiesties with the bike they say works so much better than my C-14"
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Well, I don't know about riding in the "twiesties" (is that a right coast pronunciation?), but I do know how I did in the twisties of the Alps last summer on a BMW R1200GS (not the GSA) riding with a guy from England on a C14. He couldn't keep up. Sure, the Beemer has only about 2/3's of the horsepower of the 14, and a redline about 5k lower, but in the twisties, brute power isn't always what you want. The Beemer is about 140 lbs lighter, has wider handlebars providing more leverage in the turns, and has better low end torque. The tighter the road, the more it will run away. On wide open sweepers, yeah the 14 will leave, but in the twisties? Ehhh... The 14 is not easy to handle in tight corners. It's heavy, first gear is too low, second too high and the fuel injection can be abrupt. Get into faster corners where you're in 3rd or 4th and it starts to work better. Now, as I have a C10, a C14 and mountain roads within a half hour of my place that make the Dragon look like a yawn, I think my opinion of the 14 and how it handles is valid. Shame I won't be at the National - I'll be heading for Alaska instead.
 
I gotta say: If a guy on a CBR1000 is having trouble keeping up with a C14 in the mountains, there is only one valid explanation; he is a crap rider. Period. I know Jeff and some of you (in your minds) speedy riders might be embarrassed by him in the twisties. I also know he put over 60k on a '99 concours and was just pulling your legs in the original post. You all rose to some stinky bait there. Bash all you want, but I'd ride with him on whatever he chooses to ride anyday, anywhere. good guy, good rider.
 
Because you paid too much money for it so you need any reason to make you feel good about yourself... COG Member#8594 Ride often, Ride Safe.
 
In the spirit of Jeff Hudspeth's original post here is why my C-10 is better than your C-14. 10. My bigger tank and better gas mileage let me go much farther. 9. My tires last longer. 8. It's got just the right amount of power, not too little, and not too much. 7. It's sooooo much easier to work on. 6. Ladies like the comfort. 5. No KIPASS 4. Luggage is bigger and does not fall off. 3. Dash doesn't melt 2. Heated grips? ...we don't need no stinkin heated grips. :eg: and the number 1 reason my C-10 is better than your C14 - 1. It's a Classic! :) Mike Aldea, COG-528 Hawthorne, NJ
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:gasp: WHISTLE BLOWS REF RAISES HAND TWO MINUTES, MoB, FOR VERBAL ROUGHING!!!! ;p Terry Faherty COG #792 AMA #526406 NYC Metro AAD and chief bottle washer Bikes may change but a COGer forever!
 
10 Reason's why my C14 is better than a BMW... 10) It says Kawasaki on the side... 9) I actually see Kawasaki dealers when I ride across the country... 8) I like KiPass... 7) I don't have CAN-Bus... 6) ONE Universal directional button... 5) It doesn't say Bring My Wallet on the side... 4) I can wave at other brand riders and not break a "rule"... 3) Can you say "slipper clutch"? 2) My tires don't last long cause I'm smoking Beemers... And the number one reason is..... 1) I don't have to carry a fire extinguisher to put out my final drive ;)
 
You state that you like simplicity! If so why did you purcahse a BMW rather than a Honda fifty. They are showing up on the market and if I remember correctly they get pretty good gas milage. Jus My two cents worth...
 
Well I got a chance to ride a F650 at Biketoberfest. Handling is very good, a fairly comfortable mount, BUT . . . . it is geared quite high. I was doing 50 mph in 3rd gear and wasn't even into the mid rpms. No wonder it gets 60+ mpg. Only good thing with that, it is chain drive. But assuming what little I know of bikes made weird, I will bet that the chain sprockets are not OFF THE SHELF parts, thus they will either not be available and/or you need to have some very deep pockets to buy some. Another item of note, with the last set of specs that came out it is now right up there with the KLR weight, I think 10 lbs heavier, I'd have to re-check the last posting of specs. However, if a person could only have one bike, it would be a good choice. The thought of a 2 cylinder for a dual sport is an item I continue to follow. While the DR650 will do what I need and then a bit, it is a bit more vibration than I'd want to contend with for an entire day. The Aprilla, it is nothing but a race machine. I can scare myself with a KTM. Hell, a 250 cc knocked me out once, guess I need a 125. :) tcars, John, COG 4157, AMA & ROK Central Jawja AAD
 
just stopped back to read this again, and have to make a correction: Hey Sherob....read you manual... #7 needs a correction.... my C14 has CanBus, but I cna add things without bringing the whole system down....like led signals, hyperlights, and heated gear.... or you can replace #7 with "no C14's DNF'd the IBR this year for mechanical failure...." (a C10 did poop out tho.. sorry Kurt....)
 
I have a 2008 C14 with 3800 miles on it. Bought it 2 months ago with 1500 miles on it and I love it but have a Question. Between 2700 to 3200 RPM in any gear I constantly hear some subtle ringing or rattling noise coming from the front of the bike. Sounds like a bolt with a washer is loose. I searched many times for it but can
 
ALL IN FUN 6 reasons my BMW ('92 K100RS) is better than your C-14 because... 6 Insurance is very cheap. 5 It can not be called a rice rocket 4 It gets better mileage. (52.7 MPG best recorded) 3 I have the bragging rights to an odometer with 220,000 miles on it. 2 I only had to pay 1850.00 for it so I can take it on rides where there is a chance it won't come back. (like Prudoe Bay AK) 1 It is sitting in my garage, paid for, waiting my return from Kosovo. 6 reasons the C-14 is better than my BMW (and why I am planning one buying one when I return from deployment) 6 It is a distant relative to my favorite bike I EVER owned (1984-1990) the legendary 1984 GPz750E1 (the turbo). 5 It will still be under warranty. 4 Has a slipper clutch, not a dry clutch. 3 Will not be 18 years old. 2 it is just SOOO much faster! 1 My wife made the mistake of giving me permission to get one when I return from this deployment. and #1 & 2 both count for 2.
 
I've had several BMW's. The last was a 2006 R1200GS. They all vibrate and put your fore arms and hands to sleep. I sold the GS to get the C-14. I'll never to back to BMW. By the way do you know what BMW stands for? BITCH, MOAN, WINE. Rick
 
......AND the damned things are missing one swing arm. For the money people have to give for Beemers they should have three swing arms in back. ;)
 
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