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So what's the best brand/model tires for the C10?

How are they in the rain? I'm not the most confident rider in the wet, after a couple of spills many years ago!
Thanks once again  :great:
 

rev ryder

COG Executive Director
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jacksdad said:
How are they in the rain? I'm not the most confident rider in the wet, after a couple of spills many years ago!
Thanks once again  :great:
Jacksdad, they are pretty good in rain, not outstanding.  Very good on dry pavement, but not as good in the wet as the older Avons now discontinued, not as good as the older Michelins now discontinued, but better than most others IMHO.  The most comparable tire to the 3DXM in my book is the original Dunlop RoadSmart.  I don't know about the later RoadSmarts.  IMHO these two tire types ride very much alike with the Avon maybe being a little better in the dry and the Dunlop being a little bit (tiny bit) better in the wet.  But I have not kept up with these so much since going 17" on most of my bikes.  But these tires are fairly "confidence inspiring" IMHO.  Good luck!
 

SteveJ

Member
Member
jacksdad said:
I was just about to ask about these tyres!
I'm looking at a pair of Storm 3-D XM with a 120/70 on the front, mines the later version A9.
Its one of only a handful of tyres actually advertised for the GTR A9 here in England, and at £160 pair delivered they are excellent value  ;D
Are you using the XM type, the newer "Xtra Mileage" compound?

You will be a happier camper iff'n you go to the 110/80 size in the front. Checking the rim width vs tire size the 110 is a better match. I'd run about 10-12 110's on the front, mostly PR2, PR3 and Angel. Awesome handling and ride.

HTH.  :beerchug:
 
Thanks again, getting sorted out now..except all the books and charts say the later bikes like mine went up to 120 on the front. Insurance firms over here just love an excuse not to pay out, and the state of tyres is a big get-out for them !
Riding wise, which front is your choice, 110/80 or 120/70 ?  :eek:
 

ron203

Southeast Area Director
Member
I had both on my 2000 C-10 and the 110 was better (less V-shaped) in my opinion. Once I went to the 110 from the last 120, I never went back.
 
Well then.....the UK supplier only lists a 120 front. They sell as a pair, as said for £160. I've searched a few sites but I'll have to buy from 2 suppliers and will cost another £30  :-\
Bike has an Avon AV55 Storm 2 Ultra fitted, 110/80ZR18 and AV46ST Azaro standard size rear..so many different names, numbers, letters  :-[
 
FINALLY...I hope...I've bought a pair of...drum roll..."Avon Storm 3D X-M 110/80/ZR18 & 150/80/ZR16 XM Pair Deal Ducati"
£152 with free delivery, that's cheaper than a rear Shinko!
Just one last question for you guys: the numbers in brackets after the part number etc. front has (54W) rear (69W), just how important is this, I'm assuming its weight loading?
I found a rear tyre which was identical but (71W) Whats the difference please  I'm getting like  :banghead:  :D
 

connie_rider

Member
Member
On (71W / etc) the number is the weight rating, and the letter is the speed rating.
The;  71W is  761 lbs / 168 mph
        69W is  761 lbs / 168 mph
        54W is  467 lbs / 168 mph

Ride safe, Ted

 
Thanks again, some more charts saved on my laptop  :great:
Not a clue why the rear tyre has 2 different weight numbers: probably a typo error. Either way, I think all bike tyres (decent brand!) are well inside the weight limits  ;D
 

ron203

Southeast Area Director
Member
Better more capacity (safe) than less (sorry).

You figure about 600# for the bike, 400-500# for two riders if they are good sized (I'm ~280# alone with full gear and a full stomach  ;D) . You should step on the scale sometime just before you hop on.  Through in 20# of farkles, 50# for a full gas tank. Add some gear for camping or hoteling and it adds up.

That's close to 1200# rolling down the road (yes, over the limit but who tells?). And people talk about how top heavy these bikes are. Ha!

All depends on who you are and how you ride.  ;)
 

ron203

Southeast Area Director
Member
# = pound = 16 ounces abbreviation, sorry.

I always figured the weigh was split between both tires.
 

works4me

Street Cruiser
connie_rider said:
Weight is split about 60/40.
With Rider and gear it's maybe more like 70/30.

Ride safe, Ted

That may be true for a static motorcycle but a moving bike is dynamic,
especially during braking when nearly all that weight transfers to the
front tire.
 

connie_rider

Member
Member
Good point works4me.
Hadn't thought of that.

I think their talking about loaded or rolling weight distribution.

I don't have a C-10 handy to look at what the correct tires are, but do have a C-14 here.
So, I'll use that for a reference.
  The C-14 has a 58W on the front, 75W on the rear.
      The 58w is rated at 520 lbs.  the 75W is rated at 853 lbs.
  If you compare 520 to 853, that's about a 40/60 ratio..
  I think the tire ratings for a C-10 will work out to be about the same..

Ride safe, Ted
         
 
The new Avons are 54 and 69W, the only other different version was a rear saying 71W. That means a difference of 20Kg on the rear, I'm only about 12 1/2 stone, usually ride solo, so all's well  ;D
Oh yes..those Shinko you guys like: Now cost just over £300 pair here in the UK  :-\
 

connie_rider

Member
Member
Sorry jacksdad.
  Most of us live here in the Colonies...  ;D
    Can you tell us approx. what 12 1/2 stone is equal to in lbs?

Ride safe, Ted
 
 

ron203

Southeast Area Director
Member
connie_rider said:
Sorry jacksdad.
  Most of us live here in the Colonies...  ;D
    Can you tell us approx. what 12 1/2 stone is equal to in lbs?

Ride safe, Ted

Google says it's about 175 lbs.
 

connie_rider

Member
Member
ron,, "Now ya dun went and dun it"....
  Ruined all my fun..

I was giving him a chance to make a comment about my "the Colonies" comment..  <sly grin>

Besides, you know good and well I'm a Computer Illiterate..
    Google is "your' Friend, not mine.......  :rotflmao:

Ride safe, Ted
 
I put the weight in "Old Fashioned" so you would understand...its 78 Kg over here...we went Metric in 1971 after all  ;D
Can't do the old pound and ounces nonsense any more, 13.45 lbs to the Franble,  76 ozs to pint etc....whats wrong with mm and kilos?
And don't even start about inches, all that 43/63 makes an inch, 3 inch to a flooter, 78/27 of a yard...what a load of nonsense...no wonder you built the Hubble telescope wrong size, all them conversions are easy to get wrong  :D
 
Tyres now delivered: rear is 71W after all, was a mistake in the listing
Just got to fit them now, I'll wait until it stops snowing... ;D
 

connie_rider

Member
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jacksdad said:
I put the weight in "Old Fashioned" so you would understand...its 78 Kg over here...we went Metric in 1971 after all  ;D
Can't do the old pound and ounces nonsense any more, 13.45 lbs to the Franble,  76 ozs to pint etc....whats wrong with mm and kilos?
And don't even start about inches, all that 43/63 makes an inch, 3 inch to a flooter, 78/27 of a yard...what a load of nonsense...no wonder you built the Hubble telescope wrong size, all them conversions are easy to get wrong  :D

Ya did good jacksdad.
I was beginning to think you'd miss the opportunity to ping us Colonists...

Yea, we tried the Metric system in 71.
Everyone hated it so we went back.
But now,,,, our system and the metric are mixed together on many thing's.
Which is probably the real reason for the problem on the Hubble.
  Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh  !!    :mad:

Ride safe, Ted

 
Just why do you stay with the ancient Imperial system? The rest of the planet is now using Metric, it must cause problems with everyday stuff, having to convert everything? Mind you, we do still buy beer in pints, and have Miles per hour. I'm just about getting to grips with buying fuel in litres, but still work out usage in miles per gallon!  ;D
 

connie_rider

Member
Member
I guess we're just set in our ways.
Some folks would be ok to convert, but the majority is used to the system and see no reason to change.

Plus the costs to change over is staggering.
        (think about it)
  Everything from gas pumps to packaging etc, would have to be changed in some manner.

Ride safe, Ted

 

ron203

Southeast Area Director
Member
So, are the gallons you use 128 ounces? Then, there's the whole liquid vs dry measure arguments (ask a cook). If we start this, the next thing you know we're arguing about which side of the road to drive on, which way a racetrack is to be driven, and how wide railroad rails are supposed be. A slippery slope, I say. Slippery. 
 
No! A Gallon is 160 Fl Oz. (I had to Google the answer) You even have a different measurement for "1 Gallon"  :-[
Then there's the standard US measurement of "A Cup"...what is 1 Cup, in metric? Oh wait, there isn't  "A Cup" volume is there, it depends what you are weighing!  :rotflmao:
Isn't it time that you caught up with the modern world?
 

ron203

Southeast Area Director
Member
32 oz. to a quart. 4 quarts to a U.S. Gallon. Maybe that's why our gas mileage is so bad....Then there is the hectare, the rod, the league, the nautical mile, the mile, the ton, the metric ton. Yada, yada. 

Cup, smup. Let's not even talk about units of money. So, just be reasonable. Do it our  way.... :truce:

:))
 

warwgn

Mini Bike
Update on the Dunlop E4 in Goldwing size for the front, gotta get ready for a trip coming soon new tire arrives this week and yes going with the same tire Dunlop E4 Radial in 130/70R18. This has been a great tire all around and lasted very well, the center still looks good and not into the wear indicators yet, the sides are about halfway into the indicators but still look good and working well in the dry, it seems to have lost a little stickiness in the wet on a bridge I went over a couple weeks ago while it was raining. I was leaning at just the right angle to have the least amount of tread and it was loose so leaned a touch more and it was fine. Anyway have 28,300 mile on it now and will get a couple hundred more before the weekend so gotta say this has been a great tire and lasts!!
 

Bushy

Tricycle
Thanks for the update Warwgn, I was considering the wing sizes last year when I purchased the Shinko verge and 777 combo.
But with the bike being new to me I wanted to stick with what the bike “should” have.
I have been happy with the combo but find I am probably not using all the grip available. I will probably only get 8000 miles on these so your 28k sounds amazing.
How is the car tire holding up on the rear?
 

warwgn

Mini Bike
got out the dial caliper last night since the new front came in and the new E4 had .160 tread depth to the top of the center wear indicator and the old has .030, so I would bet this tire would go well over 30K miles. (with how I ride and am set up)

The rear car tire still has tons of tread left, I did not put the gage on it but lots of tire left before it hit wear indicators.
 

warwgn

Mini Bike
seems I have a correction, the E4 on the front is bias ply but it will be replaced by a radial. Hope it holds up just as long.
 

firbyd

Big Wheel
I am going with the factory specked Dunlop.. the K701 and K700, I have seen an Avon ripped apart at my mechanics shop.
He won't even mount them if I bought some. Glad you all had good luck with them.. !!  Mine are both radials and I hear they were specifically made for the bike. I will try to update you later on them, as I have not been a Dunlop fan at all.. just going with it one time..and see for myself.. I haerd stories on Laps are crap way back in the day.
 

Mercer

Member
Member
Asking what tires are best is like asking who's the prettiest girl.  You'll get folks asking why you think that even matters in the choice :)

Marisa Tomei, Hopefully no one really cares why it matters. But believe she is an expert on tires and posi traction!
 

works4me

Street Cruiser
the doc said:
I am going with the factory specked Dunlop.. the K701 and K700, I have seen an Avon ripped apart at my mechanics shop.
He won't even mount them if I bought some. Glad you all had good luck with them.. !!  Mine are both radials and I hear they were specifically made for the bike. I will try to update you later on them, as I have not been a Dunlop fan at all.. just going with it one time..and see for myself.. I haerd stories on Laps are crap way back in the day.

Those Dunlop’s were the cat’s meow, in 1986.
Now...not so much.
 

zorlac

Crotch Rocket
the doc said:
I am going with the factory specked Dunlop.. the K701 and K700, I have seen an Avon ripped apart at my mechanics shop.
He won't even mount them if I bought some. Glad you all had good luck with them.. !!  Mine are both radials and I hear they were specifically made for the bike. I will try to update you later on them, as I have not been a Dunlop fan at all.. just going with it one time..and see for myself.. I haerd stories on Laps are crap way back in the day.
Keep the front at 42psi to try and limit the amount of cupping/scalloping of the tread. That Dunlop tar cups really bad at the specified pressure.
Good luck with those Dunlops.
 

firbyd

Big Wheel
Thanks guys, for the tips and thoughts on the Dunlaops, they seem to grip nicely, I think the only thing I heard was they wear out fast. Course a sticky tire would have those tendencies right? Anyway they seem comfortable and thanks, on the tip on pressure, cuz the Sportmax that were on it had tread but dry-rotted (in the seam area) and the front did have cupping.. thanks again and happy and safe trails to all! :)
 
I put on a set of Avon Storms about 8000 miles ago. I was impressed with their 15,000 mile wear-out warranty. From the beginning these tires have felt pretty sticky in the corners, but straight-line stability is definitely lacking. Any type of pavement irregularity like rain grooves, textured pavement, road cracks that have been tarred, and the like bring on the wobble. Triple digit wobbles are no fun! The back tire is squared off a bit, which I believe is partly from avoiding the superslab at all costs and spending most of my riding time in the twisties. Might have to take Robert Rainey's advice and get out my wood rasp.

03 C10
78 Z1-R
 

Cra-z1000

Member
Member
Rastus said:
I put on a set of Avon Storms about 8000 miles ago. I was impressed with their 15,000 mile wear-out warranty. From the beginning these tires have felt pretty sticky in the corners, but straight-line stability is definitely lacking. Any type of pavement irregularity like rain grooves, textured pavement, road cracks that have been tarred, and the like bring on the wobble. Triple digit wobbles are no fun! The back tire is squared off a bit, which I believe is partly from avoiding the superslab at all costs and spending most of my riding time in the twisties. Might have to take Robert Rainey's and get out my wood rasp.

Had this issue also , reduced pressure to 36lbs front and 38 rear and its alot better .
 

Bushy

Tricycle
Update for my Shinko verge and 777 tires.
I am on currently on my east coast (Canada) trip. Leaving from Ottawa area, went north in Quebec, through Labrador with lots of gravel (and potholes) Newfoundland and the Cabot trail in Nova Scotia.
So these tires have been excellent. No damage from boulders or poor road conditions, with some high spirited riding when no ones looking. Including an extended period of WOT on the new pavement section in labrador 14,000 kms the rear is close to the wear bars, but still leaning in well. The front has some cupping, but unlike the stock Dunlop’s I had before there is no excessive road noise.
I keep them around 40psi front and 37 rear.
I am happy with these results. The grip is still great wet and dry.
I will post pics in a day or 2 if anybody wants.
 

Bushy

Tricycle
I have 17,000 kms on theses now that my trip is complete. I now have a wobble between 65-80km/hr, with some cupping and road noise from the front.
I am still impressed with these tires as these kms were 70% interstate. I will be purchasing the same setup again soon.
 
Update on the Avon Storm 3D-XM's. After 10,500 miles there was cord showing on the rear. The only shop within 50 miles was a Harley shop, and it just happened to have a 150/80-16 Michelin Scorcher 31 Harley Davidson tire. It is a bias-ply tire. I have run Bridgestone Battlax bias on the rear with various radials on the front with good results, so I gave the H/D tire a chance. With the 2/3 wore out Avon Storm radial on the front and the Michelin on the back, straight-line stability was back. No more wobbles at any speed. I will not buy another set of Avon Storms for my C10. Being a H/D tire, the Michelin cost a Hundred/Dollar more than a tire that doesn't say Harley Davidson on the sidewall, but it was kind of a necessity. I am thinking of replacing the Avon Storm front with a Michelin PR4-GT radial.
 

ManWorkingHere

Member
Member
Hello,

This weekend I found cords showing on my Michelin 120/70 ZR18 Pilot Road 4 front tire.

I had bought the tire on the last day of COG 2018 in Georgia. Needed to replace mine for a slow leak overnight.  Ranger Jim got me pointed to a place that had a tire that fit.

I show 13,289.3 miles since I have had it.  How's that?

I think I might go back to Dunlops.  I have had them on before and I thought they were fine for me and my style of riding.

MWH
 

warwgn

Mini Bike
Well the Dunlop E4 radial performed great but the tread life is not as good as the Bias it seems, I have 24,464 miles on it and it needs to be replaced now. Still not to bad at all, but gonna go back with the bias ply E4, it is cheaper by $10 and gets me an extra 4,000 miles.
 

jb_cb900

Street Cruiser
So I replaced the Sport Demon on the front with a PR4 (120/70zr18) about 1500 miles ago.  First thing I noted was the wobble between 45-50 was gone, instantly.  Second thing was the tread pattern on the outer edges is definitely pulled in when compare to the same size PR4 on a 3.5" rim.  The majority of the tires curvature remained the same.  I rode the same roads in CO with the Demon and the PR4 from one day to the next and found the tire handles great, even at peg scrapping lean angles (and that excludes that "new tire feel").  But because the tread is pulled in on the edges, there is no way to take advantage of the outer edges of the tread block.  It never felt like it was falling into a turn.  In fact, the Demon felt like that from the time I installed it.

Has anyone else had any experience with the PR4 on the standard rim when testing the limits?  I'd like to know if I'm in for any surprises.
 
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