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Reintroduced Roadsmart II

ZG/ZN Kim

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I looked but could not find a thread on the "reintroduced" Dunlop Roadsmart II's. Sorry if I missed it.
When you can get a front tire for $60 and a rear for less than $100(Bike Bandit,Dennis Kirk), I am surprised there is not some chatter regarding them as POS's, or wow for the money not a bad tire. I have never ran RS II's but  reviews on the old tires were quite positive.
Once again sorry if I missed the thread
 

ZG/ZN Kim

Member
Member
I guess I should of added the tire has been reformulated, but still is a dual compound. Below is a snippet from the Dunlop site

Sportmax Roadsmart II
-Designed to offer versatile Sport-Touring performance at an affordable price
-A re-emergence of the original RoadSmart II tread pattern with new compounds that balance performance and affordability
-Sportmax Roadsmart II is a more affordable alternative to the Roadsmart III
-Tread rubber compounds include silica to help deliver impressive performance in wet conditions and impressive mileage
-Tire profiles and construction provide nimble handling
-Provides linear and responsive handling
-Available in sizes to fit a wide variety of sport-touring and naked bikes.
 

connie_rider

Member
Member
I'm looking to buy some tires soon.
  Eating tires on this bike! {Has something to do with Arkansas and riding with you Nut's}

I tried to find some info on the Roadsmart II. Wasn't very successful either.
Not much in the Forum.
Found a little info in Bike Bandit.
Price looks great if they will handle the C-14's weight/mass.
Not available in the 190-55...

If you go this way, let me know what you think.

Ride safe, Ted
 

mtnrider

Member
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connie_rider said:
  Eating tires on this bike! {Has something to do with Arkansas and riding with you Nut's}
Ride safe, Ted

And trailering to meets?!?    :-[  :nananana:    :rotflmao:

Love ya', Ted.
 

connie_rider

Member
Member
That's partially why I get so little mileage.
As I trailer* to the events, I don't accumulate miles cruising in "straight" lines.
Most of my riding is in the twisties with people like Kim.

{** Yes, I know I'm a sinner}..

Ride safe, Ted
 

mtnrider

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Well, once I retire, I plan on getting a trailer myself. So, hopefully, future sinner here.  :great:  :beerchug:
 

connie_rider

Member
Member
Your forgiven. {kinda}

Just priced the Metzeler Interac Z8's.. (About $300 for a set)
    But they are offering a $40 rebate on a set.

NOTE: I see folks posting 4000-10,000+ miles on a set of tires.
          I'm wearing mine out in less than 4000 miles.             

Ride safe, Ted
 

MAN OF BLUES

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The tires on my H/F Toter trailer look almost new, and I have over 6k miles on them... and they's small... and spin 4x more per mile.. go figure..
:beerchug: :rotflmao: :motonoises: :nananana: ;)

Now I better buy new ones... you'll jinx me...  :rotflmao:
 

ZG/ZN Kim

Member
Member
Tex, Ted
You and Jim better start parking the trailer and unloading a few blocks from where ever you are staying, you are getting quite a reputation.
Well I am going to put a RS II on the front of my C14. I have a 5000 mile trip in early September, and yes part of it is in Arkansas.  2500 miles of slabbing, 2500 hard miles.
These tires have been out since spring, hard to believe no one has experience with them.
 

SteveJ

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Member
ZG/ZN Kim said:
Tex, Ted

These tires have been out since spring, hard to believe no one has experience with them.

Agreed. Looking forward to see how they work out for ya by the time we get to the Spider.
 

connie_rider

Member
Member
Ok, I'm convinced to consider them.  :-[
    Now, where is the best deal?


Rocky Mountain has them for $96.86 and $66.88..
  Oops, RM don't offer 190/55-17 ?
    {J&P Cycle does carry the 190/55-17 for $148.99 so they "are" made in this size}..

Thinking Kim's idea is worth trying...……
I don't mind paying more for better tires if they last longer and handle well.
Here's "The Rest of the Story"..
      On the OEM tires I wore both into the cords at 4300.
      Replaced with a PR-4 that lasted about 4500.
      On a whim; Hoping that less expensive tires would last a compatible amount and handle well, I tried Shinko 016 Verge II's and got about 3000 miles on the rear. Front about 4200 miles. No complaints with the handling.
    I then went to Avon 3D-XM's and they started wiggling at 2000 miles. {Avon replaced them with Spirits}
    I currently have those Avon Spirits on the bike.
          Front and Rear are worn out in 2476 miles. {I don't feel they handled as well as the Shinko's}
        NOTE: This time, I noticed the left side is worn considerably more than the right?
                          {Guess I like "left" turns more.  :motonoises: }


Ride safe, Tex Ted

PS: I know that tire wear is directly related to the twist of the wrist, who you ride with, where, and how.
      Bike is a 2014, ECU updated from OEM to Steve's original Flash to his MR and now to his MRP flash. 
          It has 2006 ZX-14 headers and dual Area P mufflers..
                                  >:D
 

ZG/ZN Kim

Member
Member
Tex, Ted,

I am not suggesting these tires for you. These very well may be a classic case of you get what you pay for. Stay away until you see someone post some actual experience.
I will say though, the 120/70-17 RS II I purchased, has 3 plies on the tread, 1 steel, and 2 nylon which I found good. But  I still would like to hear from someone running them.

Road surfaces in various parts of the country have a huge impact on tire wear. Comparing Wisconsin to Arkansas, I would estimate the Wisconsin tire would get 30-40% more miles(e.g. 4000 vs 5500 miles), same riding style
 

1965soda

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Member
Hey Kim and Ted.  Hope you gents are doing well. 

I have run at least a couple sets of the RS II's and have found them to be very good tires.  I am not the fastest guy in the corners but have felt they provided confident grip and in one set last year....wore all the tread off the rear tire from edge to edge. 

I am a little concerned about the "reformulated" version of the tire as I thought it was pretty darn good before.  I currently have a set on the bike and have apprx 4100mi on them.  Leave next week for the west coast and I am counting on them to get me back home.

I have not been terribly diligent about checking the site lately, so don't hesitate to give a shout if you want to visit about the tires.
 

connie_rider

Member
Member
Thanks Jack...
Unsure which way I'll go on this.
  But need to buy tires and like an less-expensive option if they handle well!

Ride safe, Ted
 

Motomaniac

Street Cruiser
Member
I put on two new RS 2's on my C14 before I left to go to the National from California. Put on over 7,000 miles on them going East and then coming home west! and they performed great! I now have over 8,000 miles on them and they still look good! I spent about $160.00 on both tires...great pricing. I would not hesitate on putting on two new ones when it comes time to replace them! Most miles I have put on tires in a very long time. Performed very well in the twisties! 

:motonoises:  :motonoises:  :great:
 

SteveJ

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Member
Rusty said:
I put on two new RS 2's on my C14 before I left to go to the National from California. Put on over 7,000 miles on them going East and then coming home west! and they performed great! I now have over 8,000 miles on them and they still look good! I spent about $160.00 on both tires...great pricing. I would not hesitate on putting on two new ones when it comes time to replace them! Most miles I have put on tires in a very long time. Performed very well in the twisties! 

:motonoises:  :motonoises:  :great:

Just (bike)curious, what country are they made in?
 

connie_rider

Member
Member
Rusty said:
I put on two new RS 2's on my C14 before I left to go to the National from California. Put on over 7,000 miles on them going East and then coming home west! and they performed great! I now have over 8,000 miles on them and they still look good! I spent about $160.00 on both tires...great pricing. I would not hesitate on putting on two new ones when it comes time to replace them! Most miles I have put on tires in a very long time. Performed very well in the twisties! 

:motonoises:  :motonoises:  :great:

Thanks Russ. That's a report I can appreciate, as I've rode with you and know how you ride.
What size tire's did you install? Did you find them in a 190/55-17?
Now that you and Soda have reported, I think I've made my decision.

Ride safe, Ted
 

kzz1king

Member
Member
You have me interested now! For reference what kind of milage have you gotten out of the rear on other tires? Thanks
Wayne


Rusty said:
I put on two new RS 2's on my C14 before I left to go to the National from California. Put on over 7,000 miles on them going East and then coming home west! and they performed great! I now have over 8,000 miles on them and they still look good! I spent about $160.00 on both tires...great pricing. I would not hesitate on putting on two new ones when it comes time to replace them! Most miles I have put on tires in a very long time. Performed very well in the twisties! 

:motonoises:  :motonoises:  :great:
 

Just Cliff

Member
Member
connie_rider said:
Unsure which way I'll go on this.
  But need to buy tires and like an less-expensive option if they handle well!

Ride safe, Ted

Hey Ted, the tires are cheap & you're cheap!  :nananana: Just order ya some.  :motonoises:

Mine are coming from American Moto Tire, this is where the wife buys most of my tires.  :??: $163.70 delivered. You can never have to many extra sets on the shelf.  :motonoises:
 

connie_rider

Member
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Yupp, I'm cheap..
  But unfortunately, my wife doesn't buy mine.
    & American Moto Tire doesn't have these in the 190/55-17..  :nananana:

Ride safe, Ted
 

ZG/ZN Kim

Member
Member
Russ, thanks for the input. Can't go wrong with the price. I have spoken with a couple others now who are very positive on the RS II's.

Heck if Cliff and Ted and buying them, what could go wrong
 

LSGiant

Moderator
Member
I have gone through 2 sets of the these tires. I would say grip was just as good as the PR4s at about 80 % of the mileage but as you noted the cost is substantially less. I would recommend them. FYI I have 112 K on the bike so I have gone through a few tires.
 

Just Cliff

Member
Member
connie_rider said:
Yupp, I'm cheap..
  But unfortunately, my wife doesn't buy mine.
    & American Moto Tire doesn't have these in the 190/55-17..  :nananana:

Ride safe, Ted

She does do all the leg work in searching best price, I ultimately pay for them. For some reason she likes me gone, therefore makes sure I always have plenty of tires on hand.

Guess I should have educated her on what kind of oil & filter I use.  :)

ZG/ZN Kim said:
Heck if Cliff and Ted and buying them, what could go wrong

Everything!  :) Hey Kim, hold my beer.  :rotflmao:

I did check my maintenance book & I used two sets of the original II's back in 09. Got 4,275 out of 1 set & 5,225 out of the other. For the price, I'll try them again. Not to mention my preferred tire of choice is getting harder to find.  :'(
 

connie_rider

Member
Member
Hoping to find a rear in a 190/55-17.
Saw it listed in only 1 place previously.
If they have it,,,, Dunlop shows it is manufactured...

Part of my hold out; Cycle gear shows on their site that they offer them on their site for the same price as we've seen mail order.
                              I plan to go by their store and ask, but I hurt my back and haven't been going anywhere for about a week.
                              Tried calling their store, {but the counter guy was the village idiot} so I decided to go in person  :truce:

Ride safe, Ted
 

Bud

Member
Member
connie_rider said:
Hoping to find a rear in a 190/55-17.
Saw it listed in only 1 place previously.
If they have it,,,, Dunlop shows it is manufactured...

Part of my hold out; Cycle gear shows on their site that they offer them on their site for the same price as we've seen mail order.
                              I plan to go by their store and ask, but I hurt my back and haven't been going anywhere for about a week.
                              Tried calling their store, {but the counter guy was the village idiot} so I decided to go in person  :truce:

Ride safe, Ted
Even if Cycle Gear was higher priced, they will price match.
 

SteveJ

Member
Member
Jeff Kerkow said:
I have gone through 2 sets of the these tires. I would say grip was just as good as the PR4s at about 80 % of the mileage but as you noted the cost is substantially less. I would recommend them. FYI I have 112 K on the bike so I have gone through a few tires.
Thanks, Jeff, for the info.

See you at the Spider.
 

ZG/ZN Kim

Member
Member
SteveJ. said:
Rusty said:
I put on two new RS 2's on my C14 before I left to go to the National from California. Put on over 7,000 miles on them going East and then coming home west! and they performed great! I now have over 8,000 miles on them and they still look good! I spent about $160.00 on both tires...great pricing. I would not hesitate on putting on two new ones when it comes time to replace them! Most miles I have put on tires in a very long time. Performed very well in the twisties! 

:motonoises:  :motonoises:  :great:
The 2 front RSII's I have were made in Thailand, in May 2019. Spooned one on yesterday, little stiffer than a Michelin PR or Avon Spirit. But it was only 65 deg's here yesterday

Just (bike)curious, what country are they made in?
 

ZG/ZN Kim

Member
Member
Sorry messed up on the previous post. Meant to say, made in Thailand in May 2019. Spooned  a front RS II yesterday. Much stiffer than a Michelin PR, or Avon Spirit. But it was only 65 deg F here yesterday.
 

SteveJ

Member
Member
ZG/ZN Kim said:
Sorry messed up on the previous post. Meant to say, made in Thailand in May 2019. Spooned  a front RS II yesterday. Much stiffer than a Michelin PR, or Avon Spirit. But it was only 65 deg F here yesterday.

Thankya sir.

See ya soon. Had a fresh BS T31 front mounted up at my local shop yesterday, installing this am. With the rebate at the time cost was something like $80-85 from Rocky Mountain ATV.
 

connie_rider

Member
Member
Went to CG yesterday and bought a 190/50-17 RS-II.
Got home and realized the "mfg date stamp is" 1112.. {ie; I think 11th week of 2012}  arghhhh  :mad:

So, it's back to Cycle Gear I go, "ho ho".

Ride safe, Ted

Update; Tire Returned

 

Just Cliff

Member
Member
connie_rider said:
Went to CG yesterday and bought a 190/50-17 RS-II.
Got home and realized the "mfg date stamp is" 1112.. {ie; I think 11th week of 2012}  arghhhh  :mad:

So, it's back to Cycle Gear I go, "ho ho".

Ride safe, Ted

Pretty sure you can't legally sell tires more than 7 years from manufacture date. My set was made in 2019, May - June I believe. CG probably doesn't even have the new reintroduced version in the store. Only the older version.
 

Motomaniac

Street Cruiser
Member
Not sure where the tires were made...but I will check later today. I could not find the RS 2's in a 190/55. Said they do not make them in that size. You can get the RS 3's in the 55's. Did not know they were reinvented. I thought they were so cheap because they were selling them out! I will buy another set even in the 190/50's  Been great tires!  :great:

:motonoises:  :motonoises:  :beerchug:
 

LSGiant

Moderator
Member
SteveJ. said:
ZG/ZN Kim said:
Sorry messed up on the previous post. Meant to say, made in Thailand in May 2019. Spooned  a front RS II yesterday. Much stiffer than a Michelin PR, or Avon Spirit. But it was only 65 deg F here yesterday.

Thankya sir.

See ya soon. Had a fresh BS T31 front mounted up at my local shop yesterday, installing this am. With the rebate at the time cost was something like $80-85 from Rocky Mountain ATV.
Put mine on yesterday. Spooned on old school just to make Kim happy. Took off RS 2 with 12K. Good tire no issues.
 

JerBear

Member
Member
I just spooned on a rear RS2 in the rear it appears to be a well made tire IMO not nearly as lumpy when rotating as the the Shinko Verge 2 that was on it?  I let you know how it goes.
 

connie_rider

Member
Member
I just pulled up Rocky Mountain, and Bikebandit to check prices.

Rocky Mountain was $114, and $80  ($194 a pair)
Bikebandit has them for $97/rear in 190/50-17 and $67/front in 120/70-17.... ($164 a pair)
    Revzilla, Cycle Gear, Dennis Kirk are the same as BB...

https://www.bikebandit.com/tires-tubes/motorcycle-tires/dunlop-sportmax-roadsmart-ii-motorcycle-tire/p/36080

https://www.bikebandit.com/tires-tubes/motorcycle-tires/dunlop-sportmax-roadsmart-ii-motorcycle-tire/p/36080

I just purchased from Cycle gear (and paid a little bit more) as they will also change the tire for $25 ea. if I purchase for them.
But, at the Bikebandit price, I may order another set as spares.

Ride safe, Ted
 

HeavyRotation

Mini Bike
How are these for outright grip? Cheap and long wearing is great, but can you push them hard? Wet performance? I can't find any compound information, if they have a decent silica content i might try some.
 

connie_rider

Member
Member
I haven't mounted one yet.
I was told that they were re-introduced, supposedly with same compound as Roadsmart 3's.
Not old tires off the shelf. Mine were build 3/19 and 6/19.

Ride safe, Ted
 

ZG/ZN Kim

Member
Member
I just put on 3500 miles on a front RS II, normal mixed riding. I think it will go another 1500 or so. Tire handled well, did not need balancing weights.  I paid $60 for the tire, definitely will run it again.
 

kzz1king

Member
Member
If you are only going to get 5,000 out of the front a rear should last 2500?  :??:
Wayne

ZG/ZN Kim said:
I just put on 3500 miles on a front RS II, normal mixed riding. I think it will go another 1500 or so. Tire handled well, did not need balancing weights.  I paid $60 for the tire, definitely will run it again.
 

ZG/ZN Kim

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Member
Actually I run Michelin PR2's in the rear. PR2 in the rear, RS II in the front really ran well together. I know some think that is sinning. but for $180 for a set of skins, that make 5-6k, the best I have ever done.

I have not run a RS II rear.
 

turbojoe78

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Kzz1king said:
If you are only going to get 5,000 out of the front a rear should last 2500?  :??:
Wayne

ZG/ZN Kim said:
I just put on 3500 miles on a front RS II, normal mixed riding. I think it will go another 1500 or so. Tire handled well, did not need balancing weights.  I paid $60 for the tire, definitely will run it again.

I think a lot of people have found the C14 to be very hard on front tires, getting the same miles or less than the rear.
I hit something in the road at 70 mph and took out both of my rims with only 6400 miles on the stock tires.  At that mileage, the front was almost to the wear bars and the rear had more tread than the front.  I put a set of Angel GT's on and got 10,360 miles out of the front and put on a Dunlop RS3.  The rear Angel GT is still going with just over 20,000 miles on it and looks more worn than the RS3 on front with 10,000 on it.  I'm guessing that when the rear finally hits the wear bars, it will be time to replace the front along with it.
 

kzz1king

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So far I am at 5 or 6 rear to 3 front. 10 to 11000 on the fronts. 5 to 6000 rears.  Not a lot of corners to be had most of the time. High dollars have not equated to more miles yet.

Wayne
 

red fox

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turbojoe78_MA said:
The rear Angel GT is still going with just over 20,000 miles on it and ...

Incredibly amazing rear tire lifetime.  Tell us what you attribute it to.  Oh, and what bike?
 

turbojoe78

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Red Fox said:
turbojoe78_MA said:
The rear Angel GT is still going with just over 20,000 miles on it and ...

Incredibly amazing rear tire lifetime.  Tell us what you attribute it to.  Oh, and what bike?

I attribute the mileage to the roads in the northeast and that most of my riding is highway miles commuting to work.

The bike is a 2014 C14 with a full Muzzy exhaust for a ZX14 and SISF's full areaP flash, ZX14 forks with AK 20 cartridges on front and a Penske rear shock.  Not sure if the suspension mods do anything for the tire wear but it sure does ride nicer with them.

My last bike was a 99 C10.  It had a PR4 GT rear tire with 15,000 miles on it when I sold it.  The gentleman who bought it rode it home to Texas.
 

lather

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As a result of this thread I just mounted a rear Roadsmart 2, replacing an Angel ST at 5189. It could have gone another 500 but road trip coming up.
The Roadsmart had a yellow dot. I aligned that with the valve stem and it was balanced, no weights needed. That's a good sign. :great:
 

Motomaniac

Street Cruiser
Member
Just squeezed out 11K miles on my Front and rear RS 2's! Just replaced them with a new set of RS 2's. Got em for $170.00 for both with tax and 5.00 credit from Revzilla.. I doubt that I will repeat this performance with the majority of the miles going there and back to the National in Williamsport and The Devil's Cut in Eastern Arizona on our nations highways. About 9K on those rides. Most of my riding in Southern California is fairly aggressive mountain riding! I am impressed with their performance so maybe I will be surprised again! I would not hesitate with buying these tires!


:motonoises:  :motonoises:  :great:
 

JerBear

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I just bought a pair and got a few miles on them.  New tires are always the best feel on a bike but these are really nice.  I just went back to a 50 series after several 55's in a row.  I'm not sure what the best combination is but for my style of driving I really like the 50 series at  least on the RS 2..  I will see what kind of miles I get with these but i'm really impressed so far with the cost/benefit ratio.
 
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